Posted on 06/07/2005 5:22:03 AM PDT by Gipper08
What about Mrs. Black Elk? Let's not be too rigid here.
As the Demonrats well know, this picture cannot be posted too often. Our job, as conservatives, is to post this picture (from a gay "rights" fundraiser) as often as possible pre-nomination before it is too late. America, even in its present condition, is not ready for a cross-dressing pro-abort presidente.
Even if Hiltery runs I WILL NOT VOTE for McCAN'T
McCain will not make it out of the Primaries
Fair enough. Lemme find you a reference... OK, this is embarrassing, I can't find a good link. I remember reading hundreds of emails on the subject back when it happened, but I guess the pyrotechnics mailing lists in question are not archived.
To make it worse, the only viable reference I can find is a posting on the Hillary Clinton website!!! It's not even a very detailed description at that.
I will attempt to find a better explanation of the incident to which I referred, and post it here later. In the meantime, I quote the post that I could find.
"The Summer Fireworks Festival was held, or at least was attempted to be held, from July 27 to 31, 1998 in Weedsport, New York. This is a perfectly legal, permit-covered event that had been held twice before, successfully, in the same town. But the 1998 festival was doomed by Rudolph Giuliani before it even started. New York state troopers got wind of a "fireworks convention," set up roadblocks, and stopped cars coming and going to the festival, and confiscated fireworks from quite a few people. These roadblocks, interrogations, and confiscations will be challenged in court. At least eight people were arrested. Bob Kellner's entire truckload of fireworks, worth many thousands of dollars, was seized and destroyed. Many convention attendees immediately left for home."
"The Holiday Inn is upset because many people checked out sooner than they had planned. It's not the local police that caused the problems - it's primarily the New York state police and New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani's goon squad called the "Fireworks Task Force." The Summer Fireworks Festival has been held twice before, in 1994 and 1996, at the same location, without any such incidents.
"Apparently this year, NYC mayor Rudy Giuliani read about the upcoming event and planned in April to sabotage it, even though Weedsport and Auburn are nowhere near his jurisdiction, and even thought the Summer Fireworks Festival is a completely legal event, covered by permits which were granted in advance."
You said: It can't have been much at all.
I am sure the folks involved would beg to differ. I was nowhere near the incident, but read many many independent reports of the events that formed a reliable picture, and contributed to their legal defense fund of those that were arrested on a variety of minor and spurious and in most cases allegedly bogus charges.
Gee, Lincoln Chaffee, Olympia Snowe and the devastating Sen. Susan Collins are "moderates": Feel the excitement!!!!!
Just what is a "moderate?" Someone who modertael;y favors the continuation of the slicing, dicing and hamburgerization of innocent babies so as keep the Holocaust safe from popular opinion? Someone who wants to honor a non-existent "moral equivalency" between normal marriage and same sex sodomy masquerading as "marriage" with the help of judicial and legislative airheads? Someone who wants the US to crawl in a hole and die rather than intervene on behalf of the liberty of people who are brutally repressed? Someone who worships the almighty buck above all? Have I missed any issue qualifications for this generation's equivalent of Rockefellerism?
Allen's solid and trustworthy on social issues -- except --> he believes life begins (and presumably ends) with heartbeat/brainwave activity (roughly 8 weeks).
I have a lot easier time dealing with an honest disagreement over the beginning of life than a hypocritical "personally opposed, but ..." that you'll get from many who still claim to be pro-life.
He lost an election prior to 2008. McCain won't.
You apparently believe that Giuliani is a principled and even moral man. You advance him as a potential GOP candidate NOT pf principle but of modeartion. What to make of this combination of factors?
Apparently support for abortion does not disqualify as immorality in your estimation, nor cross-dressing nor support for so-called "rights" of lavenders. Those apparently qualify Rudy Giuliani as a "moderate."
Since you see Rudy as a "moderate." His social revolutionary stands must not seem extreme to you. What sort of extreme do you think is praiseworthy and yet not disqualifying? Money???? Extreme libertarian social revolution? Randianism???????
Your insistent resort to "moderation" as a requirement for winning GOP Candidates smacks of nothing more than the discredited old Northeastern Liberal pack of the 1960s, warmed over Rockefellerism. If you think that morality is none of the government's business and you imagine yourself conservative or Republican, you are in the wrong political party.
I look forward to the 2008 GOP primaries which will put an end to "moderation" in the GOP once and for all just before we dispose of Mrs. Arkansas Antichrist.
Dream on. McCain is a Republican dead man by South Carolina as to the GOP nomination. The danger is that the issues treasonous SOB will then run 3rd Party since he isn't young enough to run in 2012 and he sees this as all about HIM. We will beat the Hildebeast on SOCIAL ISSUES or she will be sworn in whether we like it or not and whether we vote for a "GOP" mushball social issue coward and/or isolationist or not. I am not THAT pessimistic about America. We will nominate a socially CONSERVATIVE nominee and take her out. Wet Republicans can come along for the ride or be replaced by socially conservative Democrats of modest means nauseated by Her Hillaryness.
What ARE we going to do...WE NEED A CANDIDATE!!!
Rudy is alot better then McCain for damn sure.
i for sure will not vote for McCain. No way I don't care if its Hillary vs. McCain. I still would not vote for the guy. I would probably vote third party then.
You are going to be amazed at how few New Right types are EVER going to support McCain given campaign finance reform and the dagger in the back on the judges which are far more recent and far more relevant than his accidental residency in the Hanoi Hilton, however heroic. McCain has "forgiven" the North Vietnamese reds. We won't. McCain is on speaking terms with war wimp senators. We are not and we will not be. Hegel can go to heck along with McCain.
If McCain gets the nod this is one Republican who will consider sitting it out. Usually when I go to the polls I hold my nose and vote for the lesser of two evils. I don't see much of a difference between Mccain & Hillary. With Hillary you know what you have, while you can't trust McCain.
Many women have no use for powerful men seeking trophy second wives. They rightly regard such men as immature nancy boys who are not to be trusted.
You and I have often disagreed and have done so on this thread. Nonetheless, you have put your finger on an indisputable truth. Watch for a high correlation between support for abortion and other social revolutionary themes by men and their lack of concern for the dumping of first wives, not for character flaws or for any cognizable moral failing, but for mere superficial looks. There are many reasons to be socially conservative and preservation of a just social order is an important one.
Also, as an expatriate New Englander familiar with New Hampshire in the last few decades, I note that you have also put your finger on New Hampshire accurately. The problem there is that airhead Boston liberals and libertarians have ruined the Boston area and now have moved to New Hampshire to flee Massachusetts taxes while desiring the lifestyle leftism of Vermont and of Barney Frank. Bill Loeb is dead for some time and soon New Hampshire will be no more just as the real Vermont is now just the Northeast Kingdom of ancestral dairy farmers and outnumbered by the devotees of Bernie Sanders, Jumping Judas Jeffords and Patrick Leahy.
Please accept this tribute to your insight in several; respects on this matter.
Precisely!
This is pretty small potatoes. Giuliani was pretty anti-fireworks unless it was a legitimate display and I understand the attempt to prevent fires and injuries. There's a difference between a M-80 and a bottlerocket, but both can cause fires.
Aint much online about because it aint much.
One possible problem: Is there any chance he paid for an abortion and is rationalizing it with this eight-week business? I think heart beats start a lot sooner than eight weeks also.
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