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NYC-bound Virgin Air Flight 45 squawking Hijack code; being diverted to New Brunswick, Canada
ABC News | 6-3-5 | ABC News

Posted on 06/03/2005 7:25:05 AM PDT by Petronski

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To: Born to Conserve

Bah, thats what I get for giving up another night to the internet. Good call. ;P


261 posted on 06/03/2005 8:51:26 AM PDT by xmm0 (This post has been brought to you by the letters "U," "S," and "A" and Amendment number 1.)
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To: Nathan Zachary
There is one Avro hidden away in Alberta it is rumored. there is a movie about it, but I can't remember the name of it offhand.

If you go to the Air Museum in Ottawa - Rockcliffe Airport I think - you will see the front nose and pilot seat portion of one of the originals. Also I believe that there was some parts of the original Avros dropped in Lake Ontario off Prince Edward County (north of Rochester NY).

It was sad politics between the American Kennedy Administration and the Canadian Conservative Admin. got in the way of that plane.

hawk

262 posted on 06/03/2005 8:52:29 AM PDT by hawkaw
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To: Moose4
... up there they call 'em CF-18s ...

Doesn't the "C" stand for "cargo" and the "F" for "fighter"? What's a cargo fighter?

263 posted on 06/03/2005 8:53:35 AM PDT by JoeGar
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To: Petronski

"All your heavy are belong to us!"


264 posted on 06/03/2005 8:53:36 AM PDT by Cecily
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To: r9etb

", then I think it'd prolly be pretty danged cool to see fighters moving in close. Hell, I'd be thrilled!"

Of course, the blown flight connections and who knows how long added trip time from diversion is a bummer.


265 posted on 06/03/2005 8:53:57 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: reagan_fanatic

Very cool! I want one!


266 posted on 06/03/2005 8:54:30 AM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (H.R. 698 - go drop anchor somewhere else)
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To: Nathaniel Fischer

Have a great trip. I've heard Virgin Air is fantastic.


267 posted on 06/03/2005 8:58:53 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: hawkaw
"Also I believe that there was some parts of the original Avros dropped in Lake Ontario off Prince Edward County (north of Rochester NY)."

I believe those were test model fuselages that they used to fire off attached to rockets for stability testing. There are people out there diving for them for some silly reason.

268 posted on 06/03/2005 8:58:56 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: JoeGar
I think the C might stand for Canada.
269 posted on 06/03/2005 9:00:22 AM PDT by Petronski (How do you solve a problem like Petronski?)
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To: filbert

I'm sorry. Policies and procedures do not need to be shared online. For example, do we need to know how many air marshalls are being implemented on passenger aircraft? Do we need to know where they will sit, and what they will have on their person as weapons?

Heck, then why not share one's medical records and SS#? How about just posting one's credit card information right here? Let's widely disseminate it. Why even classify documents in the military? Let's all share and be friends.

For me, it all started when CNN met our "covert" operations on the beach during the Gulf War. It begins with each of us being responsible and zipping our mouths. Should our POWs flap their gums to their captors b/c anyone might be capable of finding things or hacking into them on the Internet? Should graduates of SEER school share their experiences with those who have yet to attend? How will that prepare them in real life? Should this be shared on the internet, too?

Where would you (and others) draw the line?


270 posted on 06/03/2005 9:05:44 AM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (H.R. 698 - go drop anchor somewhere else)
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To: mariabush

I'm a real ninny when it comes to flying and flew for the first time in nearly 20 years last week. Flew to Rome and back. My flights were some of the best I've ever had. Last Friday flew from Amsterdam to Newark. Of course, you never know what can happen, but chances are good that they'll have a wonderful flight. I wish them the best.


271 posted on 06/03/2005 9:08:05 AM PDT by twigs
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To: kcvl
Fighter jets and they aren't a bit upset?!

Passenger 1: Hey! Look out the left window! Fighter planes are following us!

Passenger 2: Relax...they're Canadian.

(Sorry...couldn't resist....)

272 posted on 06/03/2005 9:08:09 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: Petronski
Thank God the French naval fighters happen to be sitting in NJ right now.

You misunderstood. It's "French nail biters" not French naval fighters.

273 posted on 06/03/2005 9:12:12 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana (I was Lucy Ramirez when being Lucy Ramirez wasn't cool.)
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To: JoeGar

They use CF-18 hornets, The C denotes "Canadian version". Canada has 335 of them, half of which are mothballed and half again or the remainder need serious upgrading to be compatible with NATO requirements.
Canada does do a lot of shared work with the USA, in fact on any given day it's not always an American F-18 you see patroling over Eastern American territory, it's a Canadian one. Sept 11, there were alot of Canadian cf18's on the scene, the commander in charge of the JTF at the time was also a Canadian. They do a lot more with us than you know.


274 posted on 06/03/2005 9:12:54 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: JoeGar
Doesn't the "C" stand for "cargo" and the "F" for "fighter"? What's a cargo fighter?

Probably to prevent confusion with the American F-18C. Typically, an aircraft built for an allied nation has the letter appended AFTER the main designation. IE. an F-15J is basically an American F-15C Eagle, built for export to Japan. F4G Phantoms are operated by Germany.

'C' for Canada would create too much confusion if it were used in the usual location. Most aircraft types eventually get to a 'C' model.

275 posted on 06/03/2005 9:14:01 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: JoeGar
I think the "C" stands for "we can't make them ourselves, so we bought these from below the 49th parallel, but we have way too much pride to ever actually admit that we can't make them anymore, so we'll buy them, paint fake canopy outlines on the bottom (they really did this!), and rename them with a 'C' for 'Canada' in front." I think the Canadian Forces have done that with every single aircraft they've bought from us for the past 40 years; the T-33 became the CT-133, the P-3 Orion became the CP-140 Aurora, the RF-101 Voodoo became the CF-101, etc.

Interestingly enough, Canada did, and does, have a pretty decent aircraft industry. After Avro went belly-up, de Havilland Canada produced a long line of fantastic short-takeoff-and-landing aircraft (Beaver, Otter, Caribou, Twin Otter, and the Dash-7), at least one of which (the Caribou) flew with the US Army in Vietnam. The Dash-8 is a reasonably successful turboprop airliner, and the Bombardier Canadair Regional Jet (CRJ-200, CRJ-700, CRJ-900) is the mainstay of a lot of regional jet fleets for carriers like Delta Connection. But they got out of the military aircraft industry when the cancellation of the Arrow put Avro under.

}:-)4

276 posted on 06/03/2005 9:14:12 AM PDT by Moose4 (Richmond, Virginia--commemorating 140 years of Yankee occupation.)
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To: HKMk23
AND, I think Rolling on The Floor Laughing A$$ My Off (as you put it) is pretty funny, too.

I think you're the only one on this thread that got that!

277 posted on 06/03/2005 9:14:51 AM PDT by RushCrush (Never give in. Never, never, never, never! Never yield in any way great or small.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

OK, I remember now, the CF-102 was the passenger plane and CF-105 was the Avro Arrow so I stand corrected. My bad. B-) It's a shame Canada passed up on the opportunity to build either of them.


278 posted on 06/03/2005 9:16:04 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (Lutheran, Conservative, Neo-Victorian/Edwardian, Michael Savage in '08! - DeCAFTA-nate CAFTA!)
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To: hispanarepublicana
You misunderstood. It's "French nail biters" not French naval fighters.

You misunderstood. It's "Wine-swilling cheese-eating nail-biting surrender-monkeys", not "French".
279 posted on 06/03/2005 9:16:22 AM PDT by beezdotcom (I'm usually either right or wrong...)
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To: xmm0
What? Base 8 numbers fits perfectly. 1 digit is exactly 1 nibble, or 4-bits. So all 4 base 8 digits would be a 16-bit number.

No, that is why hexadecimal is more prevalent now. 4 bits is 0 through F. A 16 bit number can be expressed in four hex digits.

Octal numbers are 3 bits. Hence octal 4 digits for squawk codes yields only 4,096 codes, not 10,000.

280 posted on 06/03/2005 9:19:00 AM PDT by Haru Hara Haruko
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