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Milton Friedman: Legalize It! (The Budgetary Implications of Marijuana Prohibition)
Forbes.Com ^ | June 2, 2005

Posted on 06/02/2005 4:40:30 AM PDT by Wolfie

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To: muawiyah
Every post by a druggie or free drug advocate must be presumed to be part of a flame war intended to get the pro-American, anti-drug people who intend to defend America to the end angry and to say intemperate things.

Since the original post you replied to was not made by a druggie, nor did it advocate free drugs, but simply pointed out the Constitutional problems with the current drug war, then there has to be more to it than that. Tell me more about this glorious revolution of yours, and this new, improved Constitution. You plan on writing that yourself?

401 posted on 06/06/2005 8:55:40 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

The Supreme Court just now said I'm right and you're wrong.


402 posted on 06/06/2005 9:00:24 AM PDT by muawiyah (q)
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To: muawiyah
The Supreme Court just now said I'm right and you're wrong.

Will you hold their opinion as authoritative in the case of Roe v. Wade, or are you simply an opportunist? Justice Clarence Thomas dissents with the court's decision (any you). Can you tell my where the fault lies with his reasoning?

403 posted on 06/06/2005 9:09:33 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: getsoutalive

http://www.aas.org/publications/baas/v26n4/aas185/abs/S8110.html

One of many sources.


404 posted on 06/06/2005 9:16:46 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: ActionNewsBill
There is a difference between "incarceration rates" and busts. They two are not one in the dame and so your 88% statistic does not disprove the analysis you try to disprove.

With that said, MJ should be legal.

405 posted on 06/06/2005 9:21:53 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: Nathan Zachary
Better yet, people should just quit smoking the stuff. That will save billions too, and free up law enforcement for other tasks.

Same could be said about countless other things.

406 posted on 06/06/2005 9:22:46 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: OldFriend
Well, I just can't wait till the school bus driver negotiates our steep hills and curves while on pot.

Who is going to force the bus driver to smoke pot?

407 posted on 06/06/2005 9:24:13 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: muawiyah
"Responsible adults" don't use MJ.

But "responsible adults" smoke cigarettes, drink alcohol, and down unknown quantities of "legal" drugs.

408 posted on 06/06/2005 9:30:00 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: Know your rights
ugly people have a negative impact on society, but it's not proper for government to force masks on them.

Force masks on them? No. But provide free bags to put over their heads when taking a closing time queen home on Friday? Yes.

409 posted on 06/06/2005 9:31:48 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: muawiyah
You can believe what you want, but if you really believe Department of Justice spends money, time and law enforcement resources chasing down guys for MJ, you don't have a clue.

I must be clueless and have a very active imagination becauuse I regularly see news reports about MJ busts.

410 posted on 06/06/2005 9:34:51 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: Phantom Lord
I smoke marijuana and I beleive that alchol and over the counter medications are far worse marijuana and should be ilegal if marijuana is ilegal
411 posted on 06/06/2005 9:54:57 AM PDT by pothead420
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To: muawiyah
but I bet you that if needed my side could get a Constitutional amendment in place that would outlaw both drugs and druggies.

I would wager my lifes fortune that if you tried, you could not get a constitutional amendment banning MJ if your life depended on it in the next 15 years.

412 posted on 06/06/2005 9:58:43 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: muawiyah
The Supreme Court just now said I'm right and you're wrong.

No. The Supreme Court ruled that states can not ignore federal law and pass law that violates federal law. The Supreme Court further said that congress can change the current federal law to allow for states to do differently.

413 posted on 06/06/2005 10:00:07 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: Phantom Lord

Of course when you say drugs you mean cocain marijuana and shrooms but what about perscription drugs and there users and addicts. More people die in one year from perscription drugs than the amount of people who die from marijuana in ten years. Perscription drugs and Alcohol are far more addictive and deadly that marijuana will ever be.


414 posted on 06/06/2005 10:58:12 AM PDT by pothead420
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To: pothead420; muawiyah

I think your post 414 should have been directed at muawiyah, not me.


415 posted on 06/06/2005 11:03:58 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: muawiyah
With the abundance of supplies, about 30 percent of the Chinese population drifted into an opium habit, of which 10 percent turned into chronic addicts.

The U.s. figures were never anywhere near that level when opiates were legal ... and as Ken H has shown, the available evidence (provide better if you can) indicates that the U.S. rate was raised by criminalization.

Chou En Lei and Mao Tse Tung finally put an end to this incredibly high rate of addiction through the remarkably simple expedient of removing addict's heads from their necks.

The Communists made many changes that made their War On Drugs easier to conduct, but very few of which we would want to adopt in this free country.

416 posted on 06/06/2005 11:09:41 AM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Proud_texan
On the other hand I can't prove that the war on terror has prevented another domestic terrorist attack.

Here's the difference: the WoT creates no incentives for terrorism, whereas the WoD does create incentives for crack neighborhooods by increasing the relative benefit for users to congregate.

417 posted on 06/06/2005 11:15:00 AM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: muawiyah

You've discussed the 'extermination' of 'druggies' as a means to end the war on drugs. How about instead of killing millions of people to end this 'blight' on our nation, we take a realistic look at drugs and how we deal with the situation. The keyword being 'realistic' you drugnazi. Recreational drug use has been around since man found that by eating certain plants he got buzzed, and that was probably long before we invented fire or the wheel.
When the user becomes the used, there is a problem, and that goes for everything from marijuana to chocolate cake. If a responsible adult wants to get high in his living room and watch three hours of spongebob squarepants, what business is it of yours or the government if they wake up and go to work the next day without a problem?
Those who get hooked on drugs are destined to do so, consider it social darwinism. Those who cannot cope with reality wind up falling away from it. Those who wish to escape it from time to time always come back, just as good if not better than before. Consider it a vacation that lasts a few hours instead of two weeks.
You are and unfortunately always will be a blind idealogue, something which you cannot deny. If you ever open your eyes to reality, come back to the debate. Until that day, stop commenting on things you cannot understand.


418 posted on 06/06/2005 11:54:03 AM PDT by Nipplemancer
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To: tacticalogic
You going to go out and get us the makings of a new USSC tomorrow?

Unless you're willing to do something about it the current state of the law, per the LIBERAL MAJORITY on the USSC is that MJ is a regulated commodity.

419 posted on 06/06/2005 2:31:21 PM PDT by muawiyah (q)
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To: tacticalogic
BTW, Justice Thomas reasoning may be perfectly adequate, but he wasn't in the majority.

I think it's absolutely hilarious that the druggies who otherwise suck mightily on the orifices and appendages of the Liberals and Libertarians in high places are stuck with a dissenting opinion by Justice Thomas, Chief Justice Rhenquist and Justice O'Connor.

I am sure you share with me the sense of irony this brings.

420 posted on 06/06/2005 2:33:34 PM PDT by muawiyah (q)
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