Posted on 06/02/2005 4:40:30 AM PDT by Wolfie
Folks do this all the time ~ come up with statistics for the past when no contemporaneous source is reliable.
You must not have done well in Statistics 101 either.
If you knew a bit more about the place you'd understand you are trying to compare apples and oranges.
Good night viglio. Sweet dreams.
As I suspected, you have no answers. I gave you more than enough opportunity to share with us your philosophy and the principles that drive your thought process, but I've gotten nothing from you but snide replies. Every one can see that. You can't be taken seriously.
I brought my father in, not my mother. Who's lacking lucidity? (Or were your mother and father the same person? That would explain your mistake.)
And they did know the cause of many others, yet declined to federally regulate them. Your attempt to make the Founders out as big-government types is still a failure.
My bowels, for example, produce a quart a day if I eat an ordinary American diet.
Your intestinal tract contains bacteria, so your claim remains unproven.
Then of course you can provide this modern source.
It's your God-given right to keep making baseless claims and looking like an ignorant fool, yes, sir.
Still no facts to back up your claims?
ROFL!
Obviously I can't prove a negative and I can find numbers that show that decrimilization caused a decrease or an increase in drug use in the Netherlands. Some is suspect and obviously formed to drive an agenda, some looks to be independent and has been subjected to peer review; pick your numbers.
On the other hand I can't prove that the war on terror has prevented another domestic terrorist attack.
But I'm not willing to give up on the WoT. Do I think that in some areas it could be waged differently? You bet, but do a 180? Nope, not willing to roll the dice.
By the way I did Google studies on drug use in Holland and it seemed I could find studies where it had increased and where it had decreased. However those studies that were subject to peer review said...no change.
They may or may not be bogus, but I would point out that the US is a very different culture. Sometimes results from one culture don't translate. You can find studies that communism has increased the living standard in China faster than capitalism would have but that doesn't mean it would work here.
I don't have an answer, perhaps I am leery because of those that say we can't win the WoT and shouldn't do anything and simply project that on the WoD. Perhaps that's a straw man argument, but for whatever reason I'm reluctant to roll the dice...
I've stated my reasons in previous posts. I'm all for "we the people" deciding on a state by state basis (that in my mind will drive a nail in this issue once and for all). The fact that people are stupid enough to sit in prison vs. enjoy freedom speaks volumes. Drugs are anti-freedom. A self inflicted attack on reason and logic.
Get away from there fella'.
We're discussing China, and it was brought down by dopers and dope ~ it's important.
He couldn't have, and didn't have to. It isn't about what we know that George Washington didn't. It's about what he knew that you seem to have forgotten.
From George Washington's farewell address:
"The necessity of reciprocal checks in the exercise of political power, by dividing and distributing it into different depositaries, and constituting each the guardian of the public weal against invasions by the others, has been evinced by experiments ancient and modern; some of them in our country and under our own eyes. To preserve them must be as necessary as to institute them. If, in the opinion of the people, the distribution or modification of the constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed. The precedent must always greatly overbalance in permanent evil any partial or transient benefit, which the use can at any time yield. "
The means by which the drug war is authorized is that steaming pile of socialist sophistry we refer to in polite company as the New Deal Commerce Clause. The end doesn't justify the means.
So basically I'm paying the federal government to breed thc-free hemp and spread it all over the place, and as soon as it starts growing I'm paying the state and county governments to find it, cut it down and burn it?
" ...... The second Opium War witnessed the loss of Hong Kong, opening of port facilities to British traffickers, and the multiplying of opium abuse throughout the country. With the abundance of supplies, about 30 percent of the Chinese population drifted into an opium habit, of which 10 percent turned into chronic addicts. The situation only grew worse when, in the last 19th century, the Chinese began to grow indigenous opium to combat the Indian supplies......"
No doubt you'd think it really generous for the US government to actually grow dope for you and your little buddies, but it didn't do the Chinese a bit of good. Things just got worse and the empire fell, then the civilization, then civil order everywhere, and finally we have the warlords, the arrival of the Communists under Chang Kai Shek (yes, Kou Min Tang was a commie operation at first, but later became fascist, and finally democratic under American tutelage) (NOTE: everything's always different in China than you ever believed, or could have imagined for that matter).
The ChiCom faction under the leadership of Chou En Lei and Mao Tse Tung finally put an end to this incredibly high rate of addiction through the remarkably simple expedient of removing addict's heads from their necks. Voila, a cure at last! Everyone rejoiced. They were also able to eliminate most of the source of supply by exterminating the growers, processors and suppliers.
Unrealistically low estimates put the number of deaths at 2,000,000. Since dopers actually don't respond to "treatment" over the long haul (their recidivism rate approaches 100%) if we find a 10% addiction rate in the aggregate, and 300,000,000 population, that means at least 30,000,000 addicts were eliminated.
For any number of reasons George Soros and his running dog lackeys want to put America through the same rough mill of free and widespread use of addictive hallucinogenic or soporific substances. Irrespective of their reasons, they must be stopped before it becomes necessary to dispose of 30,000,000 Americans like so many Chinese opium addicts.
So, despite your protestations to the contrary, I'm really looking out for your own best interests as well as that of your children. But, given the fall of civilization I'm going to be out there pushing hard for the "head from neck" treatment FUR SHUR.
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