D-Day for Europe as Dutch vote

The Times ^ | June 1, 2005 | Anthony Browne, Rosemary Bennett, and Charles Bremner

[MadIvan]

I am so looking forward to the Dutch vote.

Regards, Ivan

[MadIvan]

Ping!

[America's Resolve]

Won't the Dutch vote be sweet?

If there's still talk about the "European Constitution" after the Dutch give it a +-60% vote, then everyone will know that there is no democracy involved in the EU, just bureaucrats at ridiculous salaries, desperately trying to save said salaries.

Godspeed Ivan

[America's Resolve]

Won't the Dutch vote be sweet?

If there's still talk about the "European Constitution" after the Dutch give it a +-60% vote, then everyone will know that there is no democracy involved in the EU, just bureaucrats at ridiculous salaries, desperately trying to save said salaries.

Godspeed Ivan

[Semper Paratus]

Dutch Treat coming up.

Reminds me to get some Amstel.

[andyk]

I think I heard on the radio this morning that it would take six nations to reject adoption of the EU constitution. Does that mean if less than six reject it, that it would apply to countries that have said no? Anyone know?

[America's Resolve]

No. As I understand it, if >1 and <6 reject it, then it goes to the "European Council" (whatever that is) and then they'll decide what to do.

Totally nebulous. It's dead, or will be after tomorrow's dutch vote.

[TheGeezer]

M de Villepin, whose heroes are Napoleon Bonaparte and Charles de Gaulle, is a staunch nationalist

Is the French non evidence of French national socialism? Are the French unwilling to go international in their socialism, or are they simply too nationalistic?

[badgerbengal]

France is a silly place. The people complain about the economy not being strong, then complain that the social programs are not large enough. I think the French have a total lack of knowledge about anything except how great they are, whoops were.

[colorado tanker]

This is really fun, Ivan.

But I'm afraid the only message the French government and other europeanists are taking from this is that they should never allow the people to decide important questions.

[BigTexJim]

The French got something right, for a change. I hope that the Dutch say "NO" to the elite's globalist scheme as well.

[auburntiger]

Every country in the EU should go Dutch - pay your own way.

[cloud8]

So, what convoluted and self-contradictory reasons are being invented for the Dutch "nein" (nejn?)?

[auburntiger]

>France is a silly place.<

France is a beautiful place. Problem is, too many Frenchmen and Muslims.

[Deetes]

France is a beautiful place. And the food is pretty good too. It ends about at that ;)

[expatpat]

They were ever great? They got their a$$es kicked by the Brits in the days of Agincourt, Napoleon couldn't win the big ones, their Revolution was an abomination, the Prussians kicked their a$$ three times, and the Viets and Algerians kicked their a$$es, too.

[expatpat]

Yeah, their food IS good.

[BurbankKarl]

The Dutch will vote no....

they saw what Islam has done for their country....

and the UK will cancel their vote altogether.

[2111USMC]

"He champions the state-led French social model over “Anglo-Saxon” economics."

They just don't get it.

Is Chirac and the elite so arrogant that they think they can push this down peoples' throats?

Did the vote results mean nothing to them?

[andyk]

Is the French non evidence of French national socialism?

Ouch! From what I've read, the no vote was in part a response to the feeling that the EU Constitution was too liberal in terms of economic freedom (too Anglo-Saxon).