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Researchers Trace Evolution to Relatively Simple Genetic Changes
Howard Hughes Medical Institute ^ | 25 Narcg 2005 | Staff

Posted on 05/31/2005 12:03:06 PM PDT by PatrickHenry

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Could this be -- gasp! -- macro-evolution? O the horror! Everyone be nice.

1 posted on 05/31/2005 12:03:10 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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2 posted on 05/31/2005 12:04:33 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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> Could this be -- gasp! -- macro-evolution?

No, it can't. If it was macro-evolution, the stickleback would have evolved legs, rack and pinion steering and warp drive. Anything less is *micro* evolution, and is wholly irrelevant to everything. Look away.


3 posted on 05/31/2005 12:05:26 PM PDT by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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Could this be -- gasp! -- macro-evolution? O the horror! Everyone be nice.

Did it turn into something other than a fish?

5 posted on 05/31/2005 12:10:46 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("We, the people, are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts..." -Abraham Lincoln)
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Yeah....but a fish is still a fish as time goes by.


Seriously, they may have demonstrated how one type of fish turned into another type of fish, but I don't see a fish turning into a dog or a giraffe. If this process is actually true, why isn't it still happening, or why haven't we found any real examples of intermediate species anywhere in the fossil record (that I'm aware of). Something that truly appears to be a cross between one species and another. Like the Creature from the Black Lagoon.....


6 posted on 05/31/2005 12:13:31 PM PDT by blueblazes
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Wow! Let's see, we start with a "stickleback" fish, covered with armor, and after "evolving" it loses this armor. It happens over and over again, and the result is... a "stickleback" fish that has lost its armor. Sorry, I don't see it. Is this the best that science has to offer as proof of evolution? That is weak.


7 posted on 05/31/2005 12:15:18 PM PDT by Sopater
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But.....it is still a FISH.
If they really believed evolution to be true, a much better study would be to see if variations in this gene caused the fish to become, lets say .... a bug. Wait, lets make it a bit easier, maybe it could become a squid. They both live in the water at least.

Sounding sarcastic, but with good natured intentions,
GE
8 posted on 05/31/2005 12:16:11 PM PDT by GrandEagle
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No, it can't. If it was macro-evolution, the stickleback would have evolved legs, rack and pinion steering and warp drive. Anything less is *micro* evolution, and is wholly irrelevant to everything. Look away. LOL
9 posted on 05/31/2005 12:16:55 PM PDT by Atheist_Canadian_Conservative
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Beautiful article


10 posted on 05/31/2005 12:17:18 PM PDT by Soliton (Alone with everyone else.)
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My congratulations on an excellent simulation of the sort of strawman arguement, weak rhetoric and outright misinformation used by the anti-evolutionist crowd.
11 posted on 05/31/2005 12:18:20 PM PDT by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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You can imagine seraphims and cherubims, but your imagination is so limited that you can't imagine a fish evolving into a frog over millions of years?


12 posted on 05/31/2005 12:18:46 PM PDT by Soliton (Alone with everyone else.)
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Yes, maybe those pieces of skeletal armor will turn into little wings and the fish can fly away on them.


13 posted on 05/31/2005 12:19:39 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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If a fish doesn't give birth to a petunia, it isn't macroevolution.


14 posted on 05/31/2005 12:20:04 PM PDT by js1138 (e unum pluribus)
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Ditches to be defended:

It's still a Sticlkeback.
It's still a fish.
It's still an animal.
It's still material.
Stalin became a Communist due to Darwin.


15 posted on 05/31/2005 12:20:17 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: blueblazes
why haven't we found any real examples of intermediate species anywhere in the fossil record (that I'm aware of).

To help you to become aware:
29+ Evidences for Macroevolution. Yes, macro-evolution.
Plagiarized Errors and Molecular Genetics. Anatomic similarities are confirmed by DNA similarities and copying errors.
Evidence of Evolutionary Transitions. There really is evidence out there.
Macroevolution: Evidence. Great info & links from the U. of Illinois website.
Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ. Yes, transitional fossils exist.
Fossil whale with legs. Land animal to whale transitional fossil.
Feathered Dinosaurs.
Archaeopteryx. Reptile-to- bird transitional fossil.
Archaeopteryx: FAQS . A true transitional fossil

Further information:
The List-O-Links.
How to argue against a scientific theory.

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16 posted on 05/31/2005 12:21:04 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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Who said I can imagine seraphims and cherubims? You're assuming something that I certainly never said. What I would say here is that there is no evidence, that I am aware of, of an actual intermediate species - something between say, a fish and a turtle. Imagination, no matter HOW LONG it takes is not science nor evidence. It's....imagination. A fish is still a fish. Show me the evidence, don't show me imagination. In dem waters do dragons live.


17 posted on 05/31/2005 12:21:50 PM PDT by blueblazes
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If sticklebacks taken from one locale can still interbreed with the others, what does this prove?

Seen some pretty goofy looking families -- especially those with too much inbreeding -- but they are just "normal" variants within the human species. Or consider our friend canis familiaris, with the chihuahua and the Great Dane. No one would seriously argue that either has become "less dog."

Of course genes drive morphology!


18 posted on 05/31/2005 12:23:09 PM PDT by Elpasser
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This does nothing to verify macro-evolution. It does more to ridicule the claims of macro-evolutionists.


19 posted on 05/31/2005 12:24:35 PM PDT by bigcat32 ("Progressive" is a word for old fashioned socialism.)
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To: PatrickHenry

20 posted on 05/31/2005 12:25:08 PM PDT by NCjim (The more I use Windows, the more I love UNIX)
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