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Big Rifle A Terrorist Tool? [See BS's 60 minutes on the Barrett 50 caliber]
CBS ^ | May 29, 2005 | CBS Worldwide Inc

Posted on 05/29/2005 11:43:58 PM PDT by John Filson

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To: yarddog

I'm not aware of any private armies. Do you have a reference? As for privateers, while they were quasi-military, I don't think they could be put under the heading of "weapon of mass destruction."


141 posted on 05/30/2005 7:46:21 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Spktyr; John Filson
IIRC, the Waco Wackos (they were nutcases, but they broke no laws and did not deserve what they got) owned at least one .50 BMG rifle,

The question is open. Dealer records indicate they may have purchased one, but as I recall, none specificaly appeared on the Tresury Dept list of firearms recovered from the ruins (Caveat there were a small number (single digit) of micellaneous unidentified "other rifles" on the list)

142 posted on 05/30/2005 7:49:25 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools - Solon, Lawmaker of Athens)
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To: papertyger
The question remains: What if the president were a despot and the military chose to submit to his authority. It happens all the time in third world countrys.

Would a private army be unconstitutional?

It might be; however, the constitution would be at odds with what is right, necessary and good

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For academic discussion only

143 posted on 05/30/2005 7:50:11 AM PDT by Bear_Slayer (DOC - 81 MM Mortars, Wpns Co. 2/3 KMCAS 86-89)
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To: B4Ranch
State militias are under the State governors command.

Article 2, Section 2 states: The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States.

144 posted on 05/30/2005 7:52:04 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: John Filson
... The .50-caliber rifle, one of the world’s best combat weapons, was invented 22 years ago in Murfreesboro, Tenn., by Ronnie Barrett. ...

Sorry, I just snorted on myself with this. Cleaned up to highlight this observation. Now back to the propoganda ...

145 posted on 05/30/2005 7:52:47 AM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: papertyger
Well if you mean "Army" as defined by the current military as being composed of however many divisions etc., the you might quibble.

At one time Pinkertons probably had a good approximation of an army, so did some of the cattleman's associtations during the range wars.

146 posted on 05/30/2005 7:57:50 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: neverdem; Spktyr
They also had a couple of M1A1s
147 posted on 05/30/2005 7:58:08 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools - Solon, Lawmaker of Athens)
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To: yarddog

The intentions of the framers is clear: They wanted the citizens to be able to throw off the government using force of arms if neccessary.

One need not get into heavier arms than, say, the 5o because there are a hell of a lot more of us than them.


148 posted on 05/30/2005 8:00:02 AM PDT by TalBlack
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To: TalBlack

I agree.


149 posted on 05/30/2005 8:01:22 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: RandallFlagg

And he didn't mention the cost of the ammunition ...


150 posted on 05/30/2005 8:02:24 AM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: Spktyr
Good morning.

What were the engineers vehicles used to poke holes in the walls and inject the CS based on, M-48s or M-60s?

I've not read anything that proves that the Davidians used their Barrett.

Michael Frazier
151 posted on 05/30/2005 8:06:26 AM PDT by brazzaville (No surrender,no retreat. Well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: John Filson

Iran, North Korea, and the father of Pakistan's nuke can and probably will be selling nukes to terrorists. These idiots should direct their energies to nukes, not rifles.


152 posted on 05/30/2005 8:08:48 AM PDT by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (The Republican'ts have no backbone--they ALWAYS cave-in to the RATs)
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To: John Filson

Iran, North Korea, and the father of Pakistan's nuke can and probably will be selling nukes to terrorists. These idiots should direct their energies to nukes, not rifles.


153 posted on 05/30/2005 8:08:48 AM PDT by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (The Republican'ts have no backbone--they ALWAYS cave-in to the RATs)
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To: Avenger
" What about shoulder-fired missiles or mortars?"

See the point of the Second Amendment didn't have anything to do with preserving police force power; or protecting hunting rights. The Second Amendment is to protect the right of the people to "keep and bear arms".

"Arms." Not limited to rifles; not limited to .22 or .223 rifles; "arms".

The right to challange government force with arms.

Maybe you could come up with some reasonable regulation of the right of the people to keep and bear nuclear arms. Maybe you ought to be required to amend the constitution to do that.

Anything else--protected by the Second Amendment. Period!

154 posted on 05/30/2005 8:10:49 AM PDT by David (...)
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To: papertyger

Question

Why does the President ask for the Governors written permission when he requests the State Guard?


155 posted on 05/30/2005 8:13:40 AM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, it's a FREE CALL)
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To: David
You bring up a good point. We sometimes think the second amendment is just about guns. It really is about all kinds of arms. Knives, swords, mace, pepper spray etc.

If the part about the militia were not there one could argue that it was just for personal arms, but it is there.

156 posted on 05/30/2005 8:13:40 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: Dr.Hilarious

Stop! Laz is just on edge. He took sumtin wrong, or sumtin ...


157 posted on 05/30/2005 8:15:36 AM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: B4Ranch

A better question would be about state troopers. They are a police force but could also be used as an army.


158 posted on 05/30/2005 8:15:54 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: Dr.Hilarious

I was too late. Oh well, carry on.


159 posted on 05/30/2005 8:17:42 AM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: papertyger; B4Ranch
State militias are under the State governors command.

Article 2, Section 2 states: The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States.

How cleverly disingenuous of you, papertyger, to omit a critical portion of the relevant text:

Article 2, Section. 2, Clause 1: The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States;

When not called into federal service, the Militia still exist, and they are not under Presidential command at those times.

160 posted on 05/30/2005 8:21:35 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat (This tagline space for rent - cheap!)
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