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WSJ: The Ethanol Party - Republicans see Tom Daschle, and raise him.
Wall Street Journal ^ | May 26, 2005 | Editorial

Posted on 05/26/2005 5:17:06 AM PDT by OESY

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To: norraad

HPFI only works, if i understand correctly, is only able to work on diesels because of the inherent way an engine functions....


21 posted on 05/27/2005 7:44:07 AM PDT by Schwaeky (Attention Liberal Catholics---The Caffeteria is officially and permanently CLOSED!)
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To: Mr. Lucky

wrong


22 posted on 05/27/2005 8:40:57 AM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: Schwaeky

Beautiful eloquent answer, however, w r o n g ...


23 posted on 05/27/2005 8:54:55 AM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: norraad
I don't mean to bruise you self-esteem, but you might try being a little more polite to posters, especially on topics where you're not an expert.

The ethanol subsidy is called the Volumetric Ethanol Excise Tax Credit and is found at Internal Revenue Code Section 6426. Federal excise tax on motor fuels is paid at the wholesale ("at the rack") level. The tax credit is allowed at the rack, because that's where the tax is paid.

24 posted on 05/27/2005 10:04:05 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky
..excuuuuuse me, but I are a ex-spurt.

a x is a hasbeen, and a spurt is a drip under pressure.

I 3rd gen. oil worker, I know from hands on it's all a handjob controled so tightly by sneaky men who know how to fool and control overedjumakated gomint officials & intellectualls & fools.

25 posted on 05/27/2005 10:13:26 AM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: norraad

Then feel free to explain to me how HPFI would work in a gasoline operated engine. I understood that it only worked in compression ignition (diesel) engines, not capacative ignition (gasoline) engines.


26 posted on 05/28/2005 11:46:20 PM PDT by Schwaeky (Attention Liberal Catholics---The Caffeteria is officially and permanently CLOSED!)
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To: Schwaeky
You may know from using a little hand pump spray bottle, if you press hard & fast a fine mist of tiny droplets come out, if you squeeze slowly you get dribbles.

The finer the droplets of fuel & the more air in close contact with each molecule the more complete the energy release. More power, less waste.

I grew up near on of the premier automotive research facilities, my Dad & many friends & neighbors worked there.

I'm 50 years old & know pretty much everything that went on there for longer than that, enough to prove to me that things could easily have been much different.

It's not the money, I'm not sure of all the motives.

I am sure that for the same manufacturing cost we could have had 30% more MPG for the past 65 years.

Those sand savages could still be wondering around fighting each other on camels.

We wouldn't even know about them except for magazines at the dentist.

27 posted on 05/29/2005 10:44:25 AM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: OpusatFR
You still need tons of oil, pesticides and petrochemicals, oil again, and machinary, refining, and trucking to deliver the ethanol. energy wise ethanol still comes out ahead: Argonne National Lab study
28 posted on 05/29/2005 10:51:21 AM PDT by ddtorque
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Gov. study?

I'm thinking back to the r-12 scam, the few "researchers" creating all the buzz were working through the U. of C. campus via DuPont grants.

Now we're stuck with a more dangerous 134-a which was as older freon formula that was dropped from development when r-12 was invented

"It's always somethin'

-Roseanne Rosanna Danna-

29 posted on 05/29/2005 11:08:23 AM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: ddtorque

No offense meant, but the "study" is comparable to something from junior high.

I am not nor do I pretend to know lots of things about lots of things, but I'm very able with statistics, numbers, and facts.


30 posted on 05/29/2005 3:30:10 PM PDT by OpusatFR (I live in a swamp and reuse, recycle, refurbish, grow my own, ride a bike and vote gop)
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Anything into Oil
by Brad Lemley
May 2003
Gory refuse, from a Butterball Turkey plant in Carthage, Missouri, will no longer go to waste. Each day 200 tons of turkey offal will be carted to the first industrial-scale thermal depolymerization plant, recently completed in an adjacent lot, and be transformed into various useful products, including 600 barrels of light oil.
Carbon dioxide turned into hydrocarbon fuel
16:00 02 August 02
Nakamichi Yamasaki of the Tokushima Industrial Technology Center in Japan says he has a process that makes propane and butane at relatively low temperatures and pressures. While his work still needs independent verification, if he can make even heavier hydrocarbons, it might be possible to make petrol. It has carbon chains that are between five and 12 atoms long - butane is four atoms long. The work suggests the tantalising prospect that CO2, the main greenhouse gas, could be recycled instead of being pumped into the atmosphere.
Ricardo expects new technology
to continue fuelling diesel sales

Anthony Smith
05 April 2002
At this rate, Ricardo estimates that diesel car sales will reach a market penetration in excess of 40 per cent in 2002 and 50 per cent, potentially, by 2005. In terms of major markets, France and Germany continue to enjoy rapid growth, with Italy experiencing more modest increases. Sales of diesel cars in France, Spain, Austria, Belgium and Luxembourg already exceed those for gasoline cars. The UK, which for six years has experienced a steady decline, witnessed a significant turnaround last year with a sharp rise in diesel sales of 39 per cent. Ricardo, which has pioneered much of the development work in advanced gasoline and diesel engines and monitors market trends on behalf of its many clients worldwide, says that improvements in diesel engine performance, driving characteristics and refinement are helping to drive the rapid growth of diesel engine sales across Europe.

31 posted on 09/02/2005 12:14:09 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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200 tons of turkey offal into 600 barrels of light oil...

600 x 42 (gal per bbl) x 8 (lbs per gallon) = 201600 lbs = 100.8 tons

(plus other "various useful products")


32 posted on 09/02/2005 12:22:41 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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