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Creationism: God's gift to the ignorant (Religion bashing alert)
Times Online UK ^ | May 21, 2005 | Richard Dawkins

Posted on 05/25/2005 3:41:22 AM PDT by billorites

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To: From many - one.
Attacking you is not an ad hominem. Even attacking you instead of your post is not an ad hominem. Attacking your post via attacking you, is an ad hominem..
2,081 posted on 05/31/2005 1:28:12 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: From many - one.

But I confess, I skirted very close to the line! =)


2,082 posted on 05/31/2005 1:32:14 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: longshadow

"Festival of Beautiful as they are Brilliant Anti-Evos" placemarker


2,083 posted on 05/31/2005 1:37:35 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: From many - one.

Thanks for the pointers, From many - one. However, I distinctly recall the myth in question has a middle Eastern (Fertile Crescent) origin. Of course, this is from my reading of several decades ago. My memory may be "off"; but this is the sort of story I just "naturally" remember.... Will try to find you a cite.


2,084 posted on 05/31/2005 1:38:07 PM PDT by betty boop (Nature loves to hide. -- Heraclitus)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
You do have a bunch of self-appointed referees on FR though

Well that is a comfort, Doc. But I still think you're trying to change the subject. :^)

2,085 posted on 05/31/2005 1:39:14 PM PDT by betty boop (Nature loves to hide. -- Heraclitus)
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To: From many - one.

PS. And if you must know, what I really committed in that post was a style-over-substance fallacy. I almost always respond to style-over-substance fallacies with equivalent fallacy, because they seriously annoy me.


2,086 posted on 05/31/2005 1:39:29 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: From many - one.
Corrction: the Sumerian creation story does not involve turtles...

I'm told by the highest authorities that turtles are unexplained by evolution. A creation story that explains the existence of turtles is therefor superior to evolution.

2,087 posted on 05/31/2005 1:43:08 PM PDT by js1138 (e unum pluribus)
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To: betty boop

Thanks, I'd be interested.


2,088 posted on 05/31/2005 2:10:01 PM PDT by From many - one.
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To: js1138

:-)

Maybe they're unexplained by evolution because it's turtles all the way down?


2,089 posted on 05/31/2005 2:11:54 PM PDT by From many - one.
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To: jwalsh07

Oh yeah, plenty of context. And again he does not say that we would ban religion. There are many harmful things I'd like stamped out too but I would not ban them. For example, I dare say 99% of FR posters would like to see leftwing media bias stamped out (as do I) but would not ban it.


2,090 posted on 05/31/2005 2:25:13 PM PDT by edsheppa
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To: jwalsh07
What about Ayn Rand?

"Qua religion, no—in the sense of blind belief, belief unsupported by, or contrary to, the facts of reality and conclusions of reason. Faith, as such, is extremely detrimental to human life: it is the negation of reason."

- Ayn Rand

2,091 posted on 05/31/2005 2:28:43 PM PDT by RightWingNilla
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To: edsheppa
And again he [Dawkins] does not say that we would ban religion.

It doesn't matter what the man actually said.

All that matters is jwalsh07's opinion.

2,092 posted on 05/31/2005 2:32:21 PM PDT by RightWingNilla
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To: PatrickHenry; general_re
The Design Inference Game.

I remember it. I also seem to remember that diamond dropped the ball on round 2.

2,093 posted on 05/31/2005 2:42:21 PM PDT by Condorman (Changes aren't permanent, but change is.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
What I am asking is, when the comparisions are made, what attributes of the object lead to the observer to a conclusion?

It depends entirely on the objects in question. And with respect to living organisms, I don't claim that any wild specimen was designed.

2,094 posted on 05/31/2005 2:47:29 PM PDT by Condorman (Changes aren't permanent, but change is.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
You ought to know by know that I think and post by the seat of my pants.

You don't say...

I've asked for a textbook source that documents exactly where the fossils have been found, along with their condition and exact position relative to the physical, geoloic column.

So NOW you're going to follow links? How convenient for you.
Every Fossil Ever Found

It is also a shame that the same people who publish their findings do not list from the get go what assmptions they've made in interpreting the evidence.

It's also a shame you can't do basic research before you post.
A better link than the one above: Paleontology Journals

2,095 posted on 05/31/2005 3:16:15 PM PDT by Condorman (Changes aren't permanent, but change is.)
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To: RightWingNilla
All that matters is jwalsh07's opinion.

Very funny. And to the point. By the way, what was the point?

2,096 posted on 05/31/2005 4:33:24 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: edsheppa
Oh yeah, plenty of context. And again he does not say that we would ban religion. There are many harmful things I'd like stamped out too but I would not ban them. For example, I dare say 99% of FR posters would like to see leftwing media bias stamped out (as do I) but would not ban it.

Interesting take since Dawkins uses the analogy of the smallpox virus. Neither rational nor believable but interesting Ed.

2,097 posted on 05/31/2005 4:35:34 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: From many - one.

Hey, sorry for my testiness earlier. I'm just in an overall bad mood and got slightly ticked off by your post for no apparent rhyme or reason!


2,098 posted on 05/31/2005 4:40:53 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: RightWingNilla
What about Ayn Rand?

To my knowledge Ayn Rand never advocated society preempting parents from exercising their first amendment rights.

Richard Dawkins: “Society, for no reason that I can discern, accepts that parents must have an automatic right to bring their children up with particular religious opinions and can withdraw them from say, biology classes that teach evolution.”

Also to my knowledge, Rand has never stated that religion should be stamped out like the smallpox virus.

Dawkins: Religion is a terrific meme. That's right. But that doesn't make it true and I care about what's true. Smallpox virus is a terrific virus. It does its job magnificently well. That doesn't mean that it's a good thing. It doesn't mean that I don't want to see it stamped out.

Am I wrong about that?

2,099 posted on 05/31/2005 4:48:26 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: AntiGuv
Did you post that ad hominem example to make clear that not once have I mentioned Dawkins and science on this thread?

Thanks. :-}

2,100 posted on 05/31/2005 4:52:03 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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