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Scientists in the Kansas intelligent design hearings make their case public
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| 5/9/05
| John Hanna
Posted on 05/09/2005 11:35:25 PM PDT by Crackingham
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To: donh
Hmmm - let's see. How many fossils of a T-rex do you think lurk in the back of the Ft. Lauderdale Museum of Science?
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posted on
05/10/2005 9:41:56 AM PDT
by
mlc9852
To: Tungenchek
Basically what I was trying to say is that is that while you correctly point out some creationist/religionists are patent liars the others are not really aware that they are lying.
The problem is that with many of the dishonest ones here, their lies are easily exposed. See my previous post on the matter.
I've on occasion seen one creationist admonish another for such blatant dishonesty, but it is a rare thing to witness.
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posted on
05/10/2005 9:43:03 AM PDT
by
Dimensio
(http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
To: mlc9852
"Overall, there have not been as many fossils found as science would lead us to believe"
I found no fewer than two dozen in one day at the beach last year.
In your opinion, how many fossils has science led us to believe exist? How much are they exaggerating?
There are literally *tons* of fossils out there. Try a search on ebay. You can buy a piece of an extinct animal for your very own.
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posted on
05/10/2005 9:44:31 AM PDT
by
daysailor
(Sorry, I'm new here)
To: mlc9852
You seem very defensive on the subject. Not defensive at all. Revolted by ignorance would be far more accurate.
I was just pointing out that a lot of science requires faith of what others have taught us.
No. That's a misuse of the term "faith." Faith is belief in the absence of evidence or logical argument. Science is the opposite. Any scientific proposition can be tested. Which is quite unlike creationism and ID, I should add.
244
posted on
05/10/2005 9:45:19 AM PDT
by
PatrickHenry
(<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
To: AmishDude
I just believe in a Platonic society and I have figured out who the philosopher-kings are.The philosopher kings apparently have really bad teeth, and die, like Jim Henson, from rejecting medicine.
245
posted on
05/10/2005 9:47:04 AM PDT
by
js1138
(e unum pluribus)
To: Dimensio
I've on occasion seen one creationist admonish another for such blatant dishonesty, but it is a rare thing to witness
Wonders never cease .... :o)
To: chronic_loser
Wow, I'm really impressed. Someone who has read Alfred North Whitehead. Wish more would.
247
posted on
05/10/2005 9:48:34 AM PDT
by
WVNan
To: Dimensio
Okay - you have repeated pointed out that all creationists are liars (which is why I prefer not to respond to you) but from what I've read of Anthony Flew's change of heart, he believes in God only because he doesn't believe evolution can fully explain the natural world. Is that your understanding or do you know something else about Mr. Flew's spiritual discovery?
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posted on
05/10/2005 9:49:21 AM PDT
by
mlc9852
To: Gumlegs
This is not an argument against God. It's an argument about silly applications of mathematics.Anything can be proven to be impossibly improbable. It takes a bit of psychosis to try this on something that has already happened.
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posted on
05/10/2005 9:49:59 AM PDT
by
js1138
(e unum pluribus)
To: daysailor
"I found no fewer than two dozen in one day at the beach last year."
Week-old KFC bones don't count.
250
posted on
05/10/2005 9:50:26 AM PDT
by
mlc9852
To: PatrickHenry
No - faith is belief in what someone else tells you. What have you personally discovered about the theory of evolution? How many excavations have you performed in say, China or Utah or Turkey? How many fossils have you discovered? How many species have you named?
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posted on
05/10/2005 9:52:15 AM PDT
by
mlc9852
To: mlc9852
Okay - you have repeated pointed out that all creationists are liars
Not all (this your dishonest misrepresentation). Just a disproportionate number.
but from what I've read of Anthony Flew's change of heart, he believes in God only because he doesn't believe evolution can fully explain the natural world. Is that your understanding or do you know something else about Mr. Flew's spiritual discovery?
What Antony Flew believes about a god or gods and why he believes it was irrelevant to my example. My point was that he still -- by his own admission -- accepts Darwinian evolution, yet nmh said "he rejects it" despite me quoting directly from an article that said otherwise. My point wasn't about Flew specifically, it was about the fact that nmh first lied about Flew, then lied about ever commenting on Flew.
Why are you changing the subject? Are you incapable of admitting that when I say that a particular creationist is dishonest, I might actually be telling the truth?
252
posted on
05/10/2005 9:53:05 AM PDT
by
Dimensio
(http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
To: Crackingham
Setting a precedent for overturning Science:
![](http://www.comms.dcu.ie/sheehanh/lysenko.jpg)
Trofim Denisovich Lysenko
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posted on
05/10/2005 9:53:15 AM PDT
by
DoctorMichael
(The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
To: mlc9852
from what I've read of Anthony Flew's change of heart, he believes in God only because he doesn't believe evolution can fully explain the natural world.What a bizarre contention. Music theory doesn't entirely explain the natural world either, yet I've never heard it claimed that therefore we should all believe in God.
Flew made it quite clear that the God he believes in is a distant, non-interventionist deity nothing like the Christian God and that his "conversion" more relates to the Aquinas-style first cause argument and doubts about abiogenesis than any doubts about the evidence supporting evolution.
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posted on
05/10/2005 9:53:20 AM PDT
by
Thatcherite
(Conservative and Biblical Literalist are not synonymous)
To: JeffAtlanta
MOre than the cause, the suggested actions are politicized. The Kyoto treaty did nothing to alleviate any greenhouse effect. However, abandoning science doesn't give one arguments so show that.
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posted on
05/10/2005 9:53:37 AM PDT
by
Doctor Stochastic
(Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
To: mlc9852
I would think any true Christian would not be afraid that science would discover something contrary to God. Were you responding to my post or someone else's? I don't recall bringing up this topic.
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posted on
05/10/2005 9:54:23 AM PDT
by
js1138
(e unum pluribus)
To: Dimensio
Okay - you have repeated pointed out that all creationists are liarsDoes this count as a creationist meta-lie, or is it just a lie?
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posted on
05/10/2005 9:54:37 AM PDT
by
Thatcherite
(Conservative and Biblical Literalist are not synonymous)
To: mlc9852
"Week-old KFC bones don't count."
What makes you think I've mistaken fossils for chicken bones?
I'm still really curious though...what is your answer to my question:
In your opinion, how many fossils has science led us to believe exist? How much are they exaggerating?
You must have some data on this...
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posted on
05/10/2005 9:55:30 AM PDT
by
daysailor
(Sorry, I'm new here)
To: Dimensio
I am a creationist liar like all the rest. Sue me.
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posted on
05/10/2005 9:55:58 AM PDT
by
mlc9852
To: Thatcherite
It's just a lie, since it's an assertion from a single person made about a single person (me) that is false.
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posted on
05/10/2005 9:57:01 AM PDT
by
Dimensio
(http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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