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Scientists Analyze Chromosomes 2 and 4: Discover Largest "Gene Deserts"
National Human Genome Research Institute ^ | 06 April 2005 | Staff

Posted on 04/13/2005 6:20:23 PM PDT by PatrickHenry

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To: PatrickHenry
These guys make the same mistake as the evolutionists. When an evolutionist states that because past fossils have similar characteristics to supposedly older fossils, they make the HUGE assumption that they have a common ancestor. These people are making the same mistake. The genes may have similar characteristics to apes and portions may be exactly the same, but you cannot conclude that they came from the same place. It is a logical fallacy.

Correlation does not equal causation, but many scientists fall into that trap. Look at all the epidemiological studies and the deception involved in them.
21 posted on 04/13/2005 7:14:22 PM PDT by microgood
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To: 2ndreconmarine
You keep your faith in man and Scientology and I will keep mine in the Lord.
22 posted on 04/13/2005 7:14:43 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: mc6809e

That sounds very reasonable. I hope that you will avail yourself the opportunity to remind some of the evos on this board of that when they become to strident and dogmatic. It seems from behind my keyboard that they write like evolution is a proven fact and to believe otherwise makes you "demon-possessed". If you are a new poster on this board you may not believe that, but that is the term they use to people who fail to interpret the evidence the way they think we should.

In this instance for example, if there was a fusion, and if the fusion point has indeed been found, it only shows where the "cut and paste" was, not whether an ID or blind evolution performed the operation!


23 posted on 04/13/2005 7:16:36 PM PDT by Ahban
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To: PatrickHenry

Considering how little we actually know about the specific proteins coded by DNA in a cell, I don't think it's particularly wise to go around unilaterally declaring all these gene deserts.

I wouldn't be surprised to find that these deserts, much like the tonsils and appendix, aren't as vestigial and unused as biologists currently maintain they are.

Interestingly enough, an evolutionary paradigm led to the wrong conclusions about the appendix and tonsils being vestigial.


24 posted on 04/13/2005 7:18:25 PM PDT by frgoff
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To: mc6809e

PS- even those of us who believe in Revelation as a source for truth believe that our interpretations of those revelations must be examined.


25 posted on 04/13/2005 7:18:32 PM PDT by Ahban
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To: microgood
The genes may have similar characteristics to apes and portions may be exactly the same, but you cannot conclude that they came from the same place. It is a logical fallacy.

So where are all the 500 million year old apes? If there's no relationship between the apes' genes, why do they exist at roughly the same time in history?

26 posted on 04/13/2005 7:19:25 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: microgood
The genes may have similar characteristics to apes and portions may be exactly the same, but you cannot conclude that they came from the same place. It is a logical fallacy.

Where would you propose they came from?

27 posted on 04/13/2005 7:20:01 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: PatrickHenry

"...human chromosome 2 was produced as the result of the fusion of two mid-sized ape chromosomes and a Seattle group located the fusion site in 2002. "

Well, I'll be a monkey's uncle. Where is WJB when you need him?

(could this fusion have created this "gene desert"?)


28 posted on 04/13/2005 7:22:03 PM PDT by furball4paws (Ho, Ho, Beri, Beri and Balls!)
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To: Echo Talon
Blah blah blah, a bunch of big words perpetuating a lie that we evolved from apes.

If we evolved from apes, what did apes evolve from? I've never had that question answered.

29 posted on 04/13/2005 7:23:13 PM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Question Liberalism)
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To: frgoff

The absence of Open Reading Frames is good evidence for a "desert".

Gene sequencing technology has found many genes that were previously unknown by examining for open reading frames. This technology also allows us to sequence proteins, which was a real arduous task in the old days (sigh... I guess I am getting to the point where I belong with the dinosaurs).


30 posted on 04/13/2005 7:26:23 PM PDT by furball4paws (Ho, Ho, Beri, Beri and Balls!)
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To: furball4paws
Well, I'll be a monkey's uncle.

Nephew, more likely.

could this fusion have created this "gene desert"?

The gene desert is proof of the Fall. And the Flood. And design. And Darwin's degeneracy.
</creationism mode>

31 posted on 04/13/2005 7:26:31 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: PatrickHenry; Lijahsbubbe; aculeus; Dataman
"gene deserts"

"Mmmm, jean desserts."

32 posted on 04/13/2005 7:28:28 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
So where are all the 500 million year old apes? If there's no relationship between the apes' genes, why do they exist at roughly the same time in history?

Because they came into existence from the same or similar mechanism or process. The fact that we have similar genes with a rat does not mean we evolved from a rat. We could have come into existence via a similar process.
33 posted on 04/13/2005 7:28:53 PM PDT by microgood
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To: PatrickHenry
the medical community

It was most recently the medical industry, but now has become incorporated into the State as the Medical Institute. As soon as somebody damanded the right to medical care the game was over.

34 posted on 04/13/2005 7:29:41 PM PDT by RightWhale (50 trillion sovereign cells working together in relative harmony)
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To: Dog Gone; Ichneumon
Ichneumon has an image (4th graphic down) in his thermo-nuclear evo post. -- a copy here
35 posted on 04/13/2005 7:32:36 PM PDT by dread78645 (Sarcasm tags are for wusses.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

tree shrews -> lemurs -> tarsiers -> apes* -> humans

* The earliest apes differentiated from ancestral haplorhines during the early Miocene Epoch, about 18-22 million years ago.

PS. Keep in mind that the modern critters listed above are just approximations of the ancestral creatures, as the extant species have also continued to evolve, though with lesser divergence. Note that monkeys diverged down their own path from tarsiers, and so apes did not evolve from monkeys, contrary to popular cliché.


36 posted on 04/13/2005 7:33:03 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: PatrickHenry

Rollin' Rollin' Rollin'
Keep the Luddites rollin'
Rawhide

Ya can't understand 'em
Just rope, tie and brand 'em
Soon they'll be at the end of their line.

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rawhide

(sorry Clint)


37 posted on 04/13/2005 7:33:33 PM PDT by furball4paws (Ho, Ho, Beri, Beri and Balls!)
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To: AntiGuv
Where would you propose they came from?

I am not sure. Of course the point is neither are they though they make the claim(erroneously). The process or mechanism that apes came into existence from could be similar or the same as the one that allowed humans to come into existence.
38 posted on 04/13/2005 7:34:47 PM PDT by microgood
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To: microgood
Because they came into existence from the same or similar mechanism or process.

OK. What process would create apes, then a couple millions of years later, humans with similar genes?

39 posted on 04/13/2005 7:37:12 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: microgood

The problem with convergence theory in this sense is that these features that are deemed emblematic of common ancestry are to a degree arbitrary. There is no reason for them to have emerged independently with precisely this arrangement (or even close to it, in the traits discussed above).


40 posted on 04/13/2005 7:38:20 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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