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Does a Transgendered Biological Male Have The Right Use a Women's Restroom in New York City?
Find Law ^ | Monday, Apr. 11, 2005 | MICHAEL C. DORF

Posted on 04/11/2005 6:16:08 AM PDT by twas

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To: twas
The settlement requires the defendant to pay each claimant $2500 and to take measures to comply with the law in the future.

Have three Restrooms, labeled:

MEN

WOMEN

?

41 posted on 04/11/2005 6:47:21 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: twas

legally yes.

Morally, complicated.


42 posted on 04/11/2005 6:48:50 AM PDT by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: Spruce

Congratulations on doing your part to make civil society less so.

Once your kids figure out that it's OK to mock one subset of society because they are different (and dad doesn't approve), they'll figure it's OK to mock any group that's different. Regardless of what dad thinks.

Good job.


43 posted on 04/11/2005 6:49:44 AM PDT by dmz
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To: twas
More directly relevant here, as far as I have been able to ascertain, no court has ever struck down separate men's and women's restrooms as a form of sex discrimination. By contrast, since the 1960s, racially segregated restrooms have been illegal throughout the land.

And yet, racial discrimination is always the first analogy employed by courts that strike down gay marriage bans. Every such decision takes pains to point out that miscegenation statutes once forbade blacks from marrying whites and that the state can plead neither a compelling nor a rational reason for such a prohibition. In the courts' judgment a man who prefers to marry a man is no different from a black who prefers to marry a white.

But of course, there is a difference--a huge difference. Race is an artificial and largely arbitrary distinction based on passive superficial characteristics. Sex is a matter of fundamental difference: unlike females, males cannot become impregnated and give birth. Every healthy human being whose sensibilities haven't been seared over by liberal hubris and politically correct stupidity knows and instinctively understands this difference.

Even the liberal writer of this article knows and understands the difference. He's just unwilling to take the pro-gay rationale one logical step further and apply it to men's and women's restrooms. So, he uses a thousand words of tortured logic to carve out an exception.

44 posted on 04/11/2005 6:50:16 AM PDT by JCEccles (If Jimmy Carter were a country, he'd be Canada.)
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To: NordP
Now, THAT's pithy!

Who are you calling "pissy", lisp boy?

45 posted on 04/11/2005 6:51:26 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: twas

No.

Next question.


46 posted on 04/11/2005 6:53:08 AM PDT by Skooz (Host organism for the State parasite)
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To: ruiner

Hmmm, "what matters is that has a prick".

Do you have a phobia pertaining to pricks?

What if the TG / Ts is "post-op"?


47 posted on 04/11/2005 6:54:22 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: twas
I've been seeing a lot more of these signs in public areas, like airports, restaurants, and government buildings. It seems to be a trend:


48 posted on 04/11/2005 6:55:01 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: dmz
If you, a man, show up wearing a black strapless gown and high heels in public in my town, prepare to be laughed at or to have people generally avoid you.

In many places outside John Kerry blue state urban areas, shame still has its place in enforcing the norms and that make for civilized society.

49 posted on 04/11/2005 6:58:04 AM PDT by JCEccles (If Jimmy Carter were a country, he'd be Canada.)
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To: MineralMan; wideawake
Thanks but I didn't let the idiots bother me - I will always choose to keep my children safe no matter what anyone else thinks -

It is surprising though, what kind of comments you can get to something like that here.....

50 posted on 04/11/2005 6:59:30 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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To: taxed2death

Yea, I do . . . I'm commonly afraid of myself in the bathroom.

My point is that he's a man (according to standard methods of determination) and therefore should use the "MEN'S" restroom.

I really can't make it any more simple than that.


51 posted on 04/11/2005 6:59:42 AM PDT by ruiner
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To: CarrotAndStick

I think there are some colleges already have those


52 posted on 04/11/2005 7:05:26 AM PDT by sticker
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To: MineralMan

"Such people are stupid if they gave you hell for that. There's no way I'd let a 7-year-old boy use any public restroom alone. You were right to take him into the women's restroom. Those who castigated you for it are just plain stupid"

They are worse than stupid. Letting a 7 year old boy use a men's public restroom alone is criminal, imo.


53 posted on 04/11/2005 7:06:24 AM PDT by tuffydoodle
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To: tuffydoodle

There was a little boy in Oklahoma City who's mother let him go into the restroom alone. A gang was in there, they removed his manhood as part of a gang initiation. I never let my son go to the restroom alone when he was small and it still scares me even though he's now 15. I tell him if there are a lot of odd acting people in there leave. Another incident happened in my town. A man came into a ladies restroom and raped a pregnant lady. I've also noticed in malls in Texas, ladies, mens and family restrooms. (Still trying to wake up by the way, sorry for the run on thoughts.)


54 posted on 04/11/2005 7:21:49 AM PDT by RoseD (Oklahoma)
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To: ruiner

kewel....heheheh
well, I did not mean to provoke a Monday morning piss fight here....

peace


55 posted on 04/11/2005 7:26:35 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: twas

Why does he/she want to use the ladies' room anyway? Aren't the lines shorter in the mens' room?


56 posted on 04/11/2005 7:40:15 AM PDT by toothfairy86
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To: television is just wrong

Not complicated, just wrong.


57 posted on 04/11/2005 7:52:10 AM PDT by CAP811 (One man can change the world with a bullet in the right place)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
...when I took my 7 year old son into the ladies restroom I caught hell from some of the idiot-types on here for emasculating my son.......sheesh.

My daughter is 14 and I'm still reluctant to let her go into a restroom by herself. I can't be certain that some sicko isn't hiding in a stall waiting for a young girl to be alone in there. You're doing the right thing by taking your son with you.

58 posted on 04/11/2005 7:55:26 AM PDT by SilentServiceCPOWife (Welcome to the Hotel Free Republic-You can check out any time you like but you can never leave)
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To: Spruce
I encourage my children to mock these clowns, as well.

Good for you! So do I! I used to be unaccepting but fairly tolerant. No more.

59 posted on 04/11/2005 8:01:36 AM PDT by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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To: CarrotAndStick

Soon there'll be a time when there's the man's restroom, the women's restroom, and a third one for the ones who are confused.

Well, I work at a University and there is a professor who used to be a man and is now a "woman." He/she has his/her own private restroom. I think that works. He already had tenure, so they couldn't easily get rid of him when he started dressing as a woman. Actually people say he's much nicer now as a she. Whatever. I know I would not be real happy to be in the women's room and see him/her walk in. It would make me very uncomfortable. I do have to interact with this person and I don't have a problem with that. But sharing a restroom?? Nope.


60 posted on 04/11/2005 8:03:51 AM PDT by Dixie Chck (lovin' the south)
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