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JOB DROUGHT CONTINUES (Paul Craig Roberts; he's wrong, right? The US isn't losing steam, is it?)
Creators ^ | Ap 6 05 | Paul Craig Roberts

Posted on 04/08/2005 11:00:44 AM PDT by churchillbuff

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To: churchillbuff
I know that people in my family who trained for high-tech can get other (less paying) jobs.

Not as easy as you'd think. I spent 25 years in IT, finally concluded it's second career time (yep, health care).
To get thru school I've applied for menial and clerical and retail jobs. Employers are wary of 50 year olds with degrees and IT experience seeking a nearly minimum wage job. How many times did I hear "... you have all this computer experience... why do you want THIS job?"

321 posted on 04/09/2005 9:48:36 PM PDT by banjo joe (Work the angles. Show all work.)
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To: Nowhere Man
Me, I'm more of a technician/engineer type, a "nuts and volts" type of guy. I would probably run things into the ground financially, finance and money are not strong points with me.

You guys did fine when you were in charge. It's the finance guys that have run things into the ground. Their propensity for the short-term and quick fixes are at the root of a lot of what's wrong in Corporate America today.

322 posted on 04/09/2005 11:37:12 PM PDT by WRhine (Is anything Treasonous these days?)
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To: banjo joe
How many times did I hear "... you have all this computer experience... why do you want THIS job?"

Yer silly. There's IT jobs going begging if you have the right skills. Big bucks, too.

323 posted on 04/09/2005 11:41:56 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Cleverly Arranging 1's And 0's Since 11110111011...)
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To: WRhine

We suck.


324 posted on 04/09/2005 11:50:05 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Cleverly Arranging 1's And 0's Since 11110111011...)
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To: mjtobias
Roberts is correct. It won't be too long now until we would have morphed into another 3rd world country.

We already are. I trudged from my mud-and-thatch hut the other day, down my rutted muddy dirt road, to pick up used brass from the nearby battlefield, so I could get mom a crust of moldy bread. I hate seeing her lying there in the sun with swarms of flies all over her.

325 posted on 04/09/2005 11:57:54 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Cleverly Arranging 1's And 0's Since 11110111011...)
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To: IronJack

Even my Indian co-worker, who is a naturalized American, hasn't lost the blame-shifting reflex. I learned, for next time, not to release a component to him without babysitting it all the way in, lest he try and blame my perfectly-working component next time.


326 posted on 04/09/2005 11:59:54 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Cleverly Arranging 1's And 0's Since 11110111011...)
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To: kaktuskid

Environmental rules had a lot to do with shutting down US chip manufacturere over CFCs. No such hindrances abroad, iirc.


327 posted on 04/10/2005 12:20:13 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Grant no power to government you would not want your worst enemies to wield against you.)
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To: ninenot

33.5? Sheesh! That would be a vacation! I average 48 hours a week, and I only work 210 days per year. (But then, I'm a consultant, and get paid a day rate....)


328 posted on 04/10/2005 12:27:16 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Grant no power to government you would not want your worst enemies to wield against you.)
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To: Lazamataz

Did I say there were NO IT jobs in the U.S.? Read carefully next time. I was commenting upon applying for jobs while in school for a career change. In my state the industry has not recovered yet. I've had offers to move several states away. I elect not to; I'd rather change careers. 25 years is enough, anyway.


329 posted on 04/10/2005 4:59:50 AM PDT by banjo joe (Work the angles. Show all work.)
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To: banjo joe
Did I say there were NO IT jobs in the U.S.?

Yes.

And I, for one, am sick of your continued hyperbole.

330 posted on 04/10/2005 5:01:09 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Cleverly Arranging 1's And 0's Since 11110111011...)
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To: jb6
Oh and by the way, ask the great Spanish, English and French empires about the benefits of Free Trade, they were all done in by it.

LOL

331 posted on 04/10/2005 5:03:22 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: banjo joe
And before you claim I am lying, may I draw your attention to this post, where you write -- and I quote -- "...I say there were NO IT jobs in the U.S..."
332 posted on 04/10/2005 5:05:28 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Cleverly Arranging 1's And 0's Since 11110111011...)
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To: rdcorso

GM, et al, used to make money on every single transaction--from the original car through parts, and financing.

Now GM loses on the cars, its (former) parts-biz loses on the parts, and GM makes money only on its financing. In the car-finance portion, a noticeable percentage of their loans are "upside-down" after 4 years of a 5-year agreement.

Worse, GM is now exposed to a possible deflation in housing values through its DiTech subsidiary. If housing deflates by as little as 10%, GM is toast.


333 posted on 04/10/2005 6:21:33 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: jb6

Pretty soon we won't have logging, either--the Greenies are closing it down, state by state.


334 posted on 04/10/2005 6:26:32 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Well, 33.5 is the average...I do consulting, too; when I'm on, it's 12 hours/day plus 1/2 of Saturday and/or Sunday.

But when it's cold, it's REALLY cold.


335 posted on 04/10/2005 6:32:23 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot
For me it is 12/day, sometimes more, until the job is done, 20-30 days usually, then 10-14 days off, and at it again.

Unless the price of oil tanks, that is.

336 posted on 04/10/2005 6:36:59 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Grant no power to government you would not want your worst enemies to wield against you.)
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To: durasell

There might be the third group - people who will be scared to death by the new rules and who will cut their spending and borrowing.

Credit card companies will lose a lot of profit that way. Possibly much more than they will be able to squeeze out of the bankrupts.

In general it will send a message to avoid risk and that credit is a bad thing.


337 posted on 04/10/2005 6:51:47 AM PDT by A. Pole (The Law of Comparative Advantage: "Americans should not have children and should not go to college")
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To: A. Pole

Credit isn't a bad thing. It's a null thing. It's the uses to which some puts credit that are either "good" or "bad." I would argue that consequences of making bad choices with credit will be far outweighed by billions of dollars spent in advertising to sell large screen TVs, comfortable chairs and vacations. In particular, family cruises sold using Iggy Pop's Lust for Life about the heroin addiction and male prostitution will continue to sell well for reasons too horrible to contemplate.


338 posted on 04/10/2005 8:50:39 AM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: LS

Quote: The Chinese are creating a lot of menial labor jobs that Americans don't want to do, so it still sounds like economic growth to me.


GM just had a closed door meeting with their 380 suppliers last week and told them to move to china. Cisco also aded they are planing on doing the same thing.

Tell your line to those factory workers. Your line needs to be added to the fr most stupid list.
Sorry if I offend you.


339 posted on 04/10/2005 9:36:51 AM PDT by superiorslots
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To: Nowhere Man

My 1978 Zenith console TV. is doing just fine. My parents gave it to me 20 years ago because I was desitiute just out of college.

2-3 times a month the color fades a bit for a day or two but always bounces back.

My wife bought one of those wood wall cabinets 5 years ago to place the "New" tv but the spot for the tv still sits empty. Each year we say this will be it but it keeps on going.


340 posted on 04/10/2005 9:55:38 AM PDT by superiorslots
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