Posted on 04/07/2005 4:09:47 PM PDT by StoneColdGOP
There appear to be many atheists concerned over one having a high position in a major church?
You people are all lies and misrepresentations. Are you capable of being honest or must you speak with a forked tongue?
He was not "honored for what he has done" -- get a grip.
#121 for you too.
He's a POS.
Actually it was homosexual predators that were the perpretators of the child 'molestation'...
These things happen anywhere when one person's testimony pits them against anothers' where evidence is negligible. Oftentimes it becomes a witchhunt, and I agree... this isn't what our justice system was meant to become. And on top of that, there's no love lost between parts of our legal system and that of the Catholic Church. It's been that way here and abroad for a long, long time and I don't see that changing anytime soon. That being said, I still think that if someone points out a fault of mine, be it imagined or factual, it's in my best interest to analyze their viewpoint and see if there's anything to correct, if I want to correct it if there is, and if I CAN. Introspection is most easily started from outside. It's no different with an organization.
In this process of self-analyzation, the Catholic Church seems to be saying to a great many people that there is no problem with Cardinal Law, which a large number of people are going to take offense to. Defend him, fine. Defend the church's relatively silent position, fine. But realize there are going to be people that don't see things your way, and they aren't necessarily idiots for entertaining a contrary view.
Do either of you know who are the ArchPriests of the two other Basilicas that were potential sites for the Mass on Day 4 (St. JOhn Lateran and St. Paul-outside-the-Walls)? I've hunted everywhere and can't find out. Thanks.
Actually it was homosexual predators that were the perpretators of the child 'molestation'...
I didn't say Law was a molestor. I said he abetted them. Do you deny that he did?
How was he "honored" -- by being demoted to a position in Rome? You hear that from Cardinals all the time: "gee, I wish I could go to Rome and take over St. Mary Major!"
Let me ask you, is Law doing a good job as Cardinal now? We assume he doesn't have perverts to deal with. And you admit he was good in his other duties as Cardinal. But you cannot forgive. Do you think he's not worthy to celebrate Mass? Do you think St. Mary Major is not worthy of hosting any important Masses?
Geez, if they stuck Law in a monastery somewhere you'd be offended if it was named Monastery of the Year. If they sent Law to the moon you'd be offended if you saw it at night. You just need to build a bridge and get over it, or at least take a baby step and blame the perverts who actually perpetrated the abuse.
This is pure fantasy. People think it's all about them. It's not all about them.
Defend him, fine. Defend the church's relatively silent position, fine.
Also fantasy.
This culture of victimology is unworthy of good Catholics
and of John Paul the Great. These people should be focused on their late pastor -- the Pope of Popes -- not on revenge.
Speaking as a non-Catholic, I think they are poor advertisements for their Church.
Unfortunately, this is what passes for "conservative" in the Catholic Church. It does little good to oppose homosexuality if one buys into the evolutionism and higher criticism that feeds it and other things like it.
Amen.
I agree with the facts known and assume I do not know all the facts. Cardinal Law is not in jail AND being familiar with management I am sure there were several assistants and or administrators who have not been arrested -so explain that to me?
And you admit he was good in his other duties as Cardinal.
He may have been - I don't know but I'll concede it.
Do you think he's not worthy to celebrate Mass? Do you think St. Mary Major is not worthy of hosting any important Masses?
I'm not a member of the church, so I don't know what the church considers as worthy to lead a mass.
Geez, if they stuck Law in a monastery somewhere you'd be offended if it was named Monastery of the Year. If they sent Law to the moon you'd be offended if you saw it at night. You just need to build a bridge and get over it, or at least take a baby step and blame the perverts who actually perpetrated the abuse.
Nope. If Law hadn't been given this high honor to give this mass for the late pope, I never would have heard about St Mary Major and I wouldn't be complaining now. And yes, I consider Geoghan and the like to be a major order of magnitude more wrong and evil than Law. But my belief is that what Law did is still incredibly wrong and led to the molestation of more children than otherwise would have happened, and when the Catholic church chooses to honor him by allowing him to lead this mass that will be watched by the world, it tells me that the Catholic church doesn't care about this issue as much as most other people do. Any institution that relies on symbolism as much as the Catholic church does ought to realize that.
For one thing you're gonna have to define "higher criticism" for us.
For another, we don't know what you're talking about with evolution -- are you a creationist? Do you think there's a conflict between the religious truths communicated in Genesis and the scientific facts that contribute to evolutionary theory?
Regarding conservatism, I agree it is tragically ironic that when Cardinal Law was being attacked for being too heavy-handed and conservative it turns out his problem was not being hard-nosed ENOUGH.
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