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Why Schiavo's Parents Didn't Have a Case
latimes.com ^ | March 25, 2005 | Andrew Cohen

Posted on 03/26/2005 1:34:45 AM PST by Destro

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To: nickcarraway

"Could you show me the Florida statute that says a feeding tube is life support? Because Felos was using this case as a test case to change Florida law."

Felos, and the entire Michael Schiavo team, and many of the legal defenders of his position are part of the Hemlock Society and the Kevorkian wing of the Democrat party. Their objective is to legitimize, then legalize EUTHANASIA.

Christopher Hitchens is one of the more repulsive advocates against Terri. His despicable rantings on Joe Scarborough's panel ,against Pat Buchanan,
& (surprise!)David Boise and the Catholic Church were pure evil. Pat's response that the Catholic Church didn't have the moral authority of, say, his idol, Trotsky, shut Hitchens up. Go Pat Go!


101 posted on 03/26/2005 2:44:55 AM PST by PJBlogger (BEWARE :: HILLARY and her HINO want to take back YOUR COUNTRY !)
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To: Destro

Wolfson was fired by Felos.


102 posted on 03/26/2005 2:45:33 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: nickcarraway

Excellent points.

As an aside, being a guardian can be a money-making proposition. Literally. You can even make a living as a professional guardian. The courts appoint guardians for incapacitated people who have no next of kin. Professional guardians get some percentage of the person's estate in return.

The rights and duties of guardians are carefully spelled out in the laws of every state. However, the courts don't spend much time reviewing the decisions of guardians. Typically, guardians' decisions are rubberstamped by judges.

Many guardians are scrupulous but not all. A guardian could use his ward's money to buy a Mercedes because "he needs a reliable vehicle to visit his ward".

Combine large amounts of money and legal power to spend it with very little real supervision and you have a recipe for corruption.


103 posted on 03/26/2005 2:45:53 AM PST by Sabatier
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To: Destro

He could have interpreted the term "clear an convincing evidence" to apply to both the conditions "the decision would have been the one the patient would have chosen had the patient been competent" or "the decision is in the patient's best interest"

In other words, if he wanted to err on the side of life, he could have interpreted the statute to require not just preponderonce of the evidence but clear and convincing evidence that it was in her best interest.

He could have but he didn't, because he wanted her to die.


104 posted on 03/26/2005 2:45:58 AM PST by Truthsearcher
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To: nickcarraway

I did not drop it! Imagining things? What I posted upholds the State court and the state laws.


105 posted on 03/26/2005 2:46:14 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: txradioguy
"Since when does God demand we do all we can to maintain a life when there is no hope of them recovering."

God says ALL life is precious.

But God doesn't preserve ALL life at all costs.

In fact God allows ALL kinds of people to starve and die of all sorts of infirmity.

Does this make God evil?

How then can you demand a higher standard of man than we can expect from God?

I think your judgments are not fair.

106 posted on 03/26/2005 2:46:32 AM PST by Jorge
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To: HiTech RedNeck

"Well, technically the court got guardianship"

So the fix has been in since the beginning...*sigh* she never was destined to get anything close to a "fair representation" by the courts in Florida.


107 posted on 03/26/2005 2:46:36 AM PST by txradioguy (Freedom Of Speech Makes It Much Easier To Spot The Idiots)
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To: Jorge

God expects us to work for good on this mortal coil even as Satan works his evil.


108 posted on 03/26/2005 2:48:31 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: PJBlogger

"Felos, and the entire Michael Schiavo team, and many of the legal defenders of his position are part of the Hemlock Society and the Kevorkian wing of the Democrat party."

If we want to go the conflict of interest path...then lets not forget that Felos donated to Judge Greer's last election campaign and is on the board of directors for the Hospice where Michael is keeping Terri.


109 posted on 03/26/2005 2:48:37 AM PST by txradioguy (Freedom Of Speech Makes It Much Easier To Spot The Idiots)
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To: txradioguy

judicial reviews upheld the decison over a dozen times now.


110 posted on 03/26/2005 2:48:47 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

Ipso facto there is no systematic bias? Is that what you are trying to say?


111 posted on 03/26/2005 2:50:40 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Destro

And that proves what? Do you know for certain the evidence for why Schiavo has negated himself as Terri's proxy has been introduced? And how can the judge review the case look at everything from square one and look at any new evidence in the 1-2 hours they are "dedicating" to the hearing?

The judges are covering one another in this. None of them have the moral courage to do the right thing and stop this case in it's tracks and stop Terri from dying.


112 posted on 03/26/2005 2:51:30 AM PST by txradioguy (Freedom Of Speech Makes It Much Easier To Spot The Idiots)
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To: Destro

Answer the question.

Are you saying that the courts are above reporach and we have no right to question any ruling they make? Are you saying they are above reporach and their decisions are infallable?

Well?


113 posted on 03/26/2005 2:52:47 AM PST by txradioguy (Freedom Of Speech Makes It Much Easier To Spot The Idiots)
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To: Truthsearcher
People are being arrested today for trying to bring water to someone who hasn't had a drop to imbibe in 7 days. Is the utter absurdity of that situation not apparant to you?

Give me a major break. The children being arrested for bringing a glass of water have no clue as to what it means maintain the life of Terri.
Or the miserable state she has remained in for 15 years, unable to be freed to be with the Lord.

These simple minded kids have no understanding whatsoever as to the true gravity of this situation.

This is really pathetic.

114 posted on 03/26/2005 2:53:06 AM PST by Jorge
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To: Destro

Upheld because one cannot appeal a finding of fact, only a finding of law.

But do you think if it's true that the attorneys in this case have contributed money to Greer's election, that perhaps the findings of fact are themselves flawed and biased, that perhaps we need a new judge to re-evalute the facts of the case?


115 posted on 03/26/2005 2:53:55 AM PST by Truthsearcher
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To: Jorge

Yes, it is really pathetic, although not in the way you meant it.


116 posted on 03/26/2005 2:55:16 AM PST by Truthsearcher
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To: txradioguy
Do you know for certain the evidence for why Schiavo has negated himself as Terri's proxy has been introduced?

If such a motion was put forth it has been rejected. Case closed for that avenue.

117 posted on 03/26/2005 2:56:06 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Jorge

"Give me a major break. The children being arrested for bringing a glass of water have no clue as to what it means maintain the life of Terri."

I have kids that range from 15 to 7 and they ALL have a clue about things like this.

You are underestimating the youth of this country these days. They aren't all self absorbed like the MSM would lead youto believe.

"These simple minded kids have no understanding whatsoever as to the true gravity of this situation.

This is really pathetic."

Yes it IS rather pathetic that you would be so sanctimonious as to presume that because the kids wanted to something very Christian in nature that they would be "simpleminded". In fact the next time I'm back in the states I'll remember your comment as my Honor Student 15 y/o old goes to sunday school.


118 posted on 03/26/2005 2:57:05 AM PST by txradioguy (Freedom Of Speech Makes It Much Easier To Spot The Idiots)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“If the law supposes that,” said Mr. Bumble,… “the law is a ass—a idiot. If that’s the eye of the law, the law is a bachelor; and the worst I wish the law is that his eye may be opened by experience—by experience.”

CHARLES DICKENS, Oliver Twist, chapter 51, p. 489 (1970). First published serially 1837–1839.


119 posted on 03/26/2005 2:57:35 AM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: txradioguy

No - which is why you have judicial review all the way up to the Supreme Court. The legislature is barred from ruling on laws they pass - called seperation of powers. Civics 101. Answered for ya?


120 posted on 03/26/2005 2:57:51 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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