Posted on 03/24/2005 11:02:42 AM PST by Destro
Well, now that you brought THAT up, that is the one "area" where he does have experience. (Of course, he lost that one, too)
They are on vacation now. Don't bother them with a starving woman.
Funny how Janet "Take Charge" Reno could storm into the state of Texas with the military and kill 88 Texans, and defy a Florida state decision awarding the custody of Elian Gonzalez to his Miami family abducting him at gunpoint. But little Alberto Gonzalez, our phantom Attorney General now, is MIA though this entire nasty affair. He's coloring Easter eggs or sucking his thumb under his bed, or something. I know he's not half the man Janet Reno was.
"It will also spell the end of the pro-life agenda."
What you fail to see is that the pro-life agenda is itself nothing but a dream. This is a pro-death society. We have Roe. We have this travesty going on in Florida.
The pro-life movement has gained NO victories in anything for 30 years, other than electing increasingly large numbers of Republicans.
We trusted the REPUBLICANS to do the job when they got the power.
Well, they got the power: 55 Senators, but now they appear to be welching on the job. Which means that all of this pro-life support for the Republicans over thirty years has itself proven to be the fool's errand. We are not the only reason Republicans are in power, of course, but without us, the Republicans would not be in power.
None of that matters.
Push has come to shove, and the Republicans are backing away from the Nuclear Option, the only way to change the courts. They are backing away from actually saving this woman. They are, simply, chosing to favor the other parts of their coalition, and after 30 years, to deprive the pro-lifers who have fought so hard for them absolutely EVERYTHING.
What is left?
What has the loyalty of the pro-lifers gotten us?
Name me ONE pro-life victory.
Partial birth abortion ban?
Struck down by the courts, as we knew it would be.
And the Republicans are CONSCIOUSLY CHOOSING not to alter the courts by applying the nuclear options, which is within their power to do.
You speak as though discouraged Christians who don't vote Republican will hurt the pro-life agenda. Actually, the pro-life agenda has no life in it at all other than a dream and a belief. Our laws are pro-death. We have won no victories, at all. If the Democrats swept back into power, things would not be any worse than they are. We ALREADY HAVE a liberal judiciary and abortion on demand until birth. And the Republicans are CHOOSING to not change that, by CHOOSING to not exercise the Nuclear Option, which is within their power to do.
We have already lost everything. We cannot lose MORE. There is no worse position than the status quo. If the Republicans don't pull their heads out and reverse their disastrous present course, the thing that will be clearest is that what we have lost is 30 years in a fool's errand, building up the Republicans to a majority, to have them betray us and change NOTHING when they finally got the power.
If this week turns out as it looks like it is going to, with a dead innocent woman from the Bush boys playing Pontius Pilate, and no conservative judiciary because the Republican Senate plays Judas, there is nothing left in the Republican party for a pro-lifer to vote for.
Why?
The GOP has the power, and won't use it.
We are still at zero.
Maybe if we had organized a Christian Life Party starting 30 years ago, instead of putting all of our eggs in the Republican basket, we would actually have accomplished SOMETHING.
As it is, we have nothing but broken hearts right now.
We have lost.
Now, I still think the Republicans could pull this out. They could recognize the truth of what people like me are saying about the utter demoralization and sense of betrayal in the Christian pro-life community. If the Bush boys don't save Terry Schiavo, they will be tainted, but the Republican Party could avoid a similar fate by going ahead and passing the Nuclear Option of the Senate, so we can finally get life-respecting judges on the bench who will prevent this sort of travesty from happening again.
The Supreme Court is the problem. We need to impeach them
Yes, and
makes such a nice-sounding rallying cry when she is dead.
Agree.
Clearly overstepping their bounds.
Taking a hit for it, too.
Yes. Deservedly so, unfortunately. The question is, how long will the hit last, and will it's impact spill over into other issues?
Knock it off.
Right again.
In short, we f***ed up, bigtime. We focused on one unwinnable fight so that we could lose the entire war.
You're right, as you are many times.
Just calm down. You're letting your own emotions get the best of you.
"Jeb Bush has one last clear shot to act and save this woman's life. So does the President."
Mark Levine just said this on Hannity. I have no idea what Gov. Bush is doing.
President Bush is too busy giving our country away to his pal Vincente to bother with this case.
"Are you advocating Jeb Bush break the law and go to jail?"
Think it through.
Yes, I am advocating that Jeb Bush break the law as the judiciary has asserted it, on the grounds that he, as the Chief Executive of the State of Florida, interprets the Constitutions of Florida and the US to require he protect a helpless citizen's rights while a further, independent investigation is conducted.
The Judiciary will indeed say that this breaks the law, and issue injunctions.
But again, I say, think this through.
The Judiciary CANNOT put Jeb Bush in jail for defying them. They can only issue orders, which the Executive Branch enforces. Jeb Bush is the head of the Executive Branch.
This is an impasse. Nobody goes to jail.
It is resolved in the State Legislature, by the impeachment process. Are there sufficient votes in both houses of the Florida Legislature to impeach and remove Jeb Bush from office for asserting an executive right of review and pardon in a case involving the potential death, through judicial error, of a citizen?
Almost certainly not.
So, Jeb Bush defies the Court. The Court has neither the power nor the police to arrest a sitting governor. The conflict is political. At worst there is an impeachment fight, which Bush wins, and establishes that, in Florida, the Executive Branch is co-equal in authority to the Judiciary.
You seem to think that Bush defying a court = Bush goes to jail. Abraham Lincoln repeatedly defied the Supreme Court of the US. The consequences of that are...impeachment, or nothing.
Right or wrong, I bet this shuts down any chance Jeb might have had to be President.
He said what I've been saying.
He said what I've been saying.
I fear you may be right. I'm a life-long, loyal Republican, and it's left a bad taste in my mouth. I can't vote for Democrats, but at the same time, I could not vote for Republicans if they begin governing like a part of religious zealots.
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