Posted on 03/20/2005 6:06:29 PM PST by Former Military Chick
Your question about letting a baby starve to death because they can not feed themselves and might be seen as a burden is a very good one.
There are obvious differences ethically speaking but maybe only in an ethical sense.
I do not support the removal of Terri's feeding tube but as a defence and the only defence I could offer on Michael's behalf is that he is honoring his wife wishes.
Having said that he does lose all credibility when he takes on a mistress and fathers children with her.
We have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
I pray I never find myself in his situation.
I can not for the life of me understand why he did not just divorce her unless he doesn't believe in divorce on some religion ground. Which I can understand. But if he has those kind of religious beliefs then having his wife starved to death should factor in a little higher than divorce.
I would probably be a vocal Michael supporter if it weren't for his infidelity.
Like I said earlier in this thread I have no reason not to believe what this article says. I don't know him or Terri or any of the parties involved and what his brother says about him and his reasons for why he is doing this seems more logical than many of the other theories I have heard expressed.
Indeed, which is why I think those who are defending hino take the insults hurled at him so personally as if the insults are being hurled at them...hmmm.
Thank you Miss Behave. That was a fabulous article. I have worked in the medical field for many years so I have seen all kinds of illness, and I have also seen all kinds of miracles.
You know, I am a firm believer of carma, "what goes around, comes around", and I have seen carma many times and have to be honest in some cases enjoyed it immensely. Lol and wink, wink with a smile.
I worked with urology for some time and saw people that were supposedly not going to live long and are still alive and kicking, only difference is they do it with a better outlook in life. It always makes me happy to see what of my patients that was told the possibilities and how they overcame them. So I know it can happen. I just feel real good for Terri, and I think with all the patients and love that her family and friends can mustard up she will be atleast smiling again and maybe even laughing and talking, one can only hope and pray.
This is a question that has bothered me whenever anyone brings up these compression fractures and the Michael tried to kill her theory.
I call 911 and say my wife has collapesed and is unconscious. She is taken to the hospital and examined.
She is in a coma.
The doctors find these compression fractures and conclude that her condition is a result or likely result of these injuries.
What do you think would happen next?
As her husband they will give me her medical records and send me on my way home?
Or they will contact the police and tell them they suspect my wife has been assulted and even worse they suspect that someone has attempted to murder her?
Why then did this never happen in Terri's case?Once her parents found out about them why did they not file charges and have the records subpoenaed?
I've heard it said that he would not let them have them.
It's not his choice to let them have them it is a legal matter and they can be gotten from the hospital/treating doctors.
This is why I think this is a bogus story.
What are your thoughts?
The "timeline" on the website is NOT about every single little item that has happened. As he points out, his interest is in Florida LAW. It's not a website about/by/for the Schiavo case (if you browse the site, you'll see this is one of many cases he's discussed). He calls it a "rough" timeline, not definitive, complete, detailed, etc. It lists "major" events that are relevant in understanding the LEGAL case. All the items you list may have been brought out in court, which would be part of the transcripts and he does have links to those. Things like, "Mike threatens to sue the Schindlers" may be true, but unless he filed a lawsuit, it's a he said, she said kind of thing.
Like I said before, I think he should let her parents take care of her, obviously there are more tests that need to be done. That doesn't mean we should automatically convict the guy. Given the volatility of the situation and how emotional it obviously is for everyone, I'm sure if the Schindlers' comments, life and conduct had been scrutinized as thoroughly as Schiavo's has with everyone only concerned with making them add up to more "proof" of a crime they've already convicted them of committing, I'd bet they could be made to look pretty bad, too.
Cindie
I think this is the great unanswered question on this case, and I too am very curious to know how these fractures were sustained.
....You know, it's embarassing to see Freepers calling somebody a murderer with absolutely no proof.
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We should sit by and allow a woman to be killed, her constitutional rights taken from her? Why would an innocent man treat her parents as he has, not provide dental care, not take her outside for 3 years?
Why would an innocent man refuse to consider the wishes of the parents? Why does he put them through this torture?
Guess I would rather err on the side of causing embarrassment than err on the side of sitting by and allowing euthansisia to be practiced on innocent people.
Why are we supposed to ignore the facts we see in Michael's actions? Is he allowing Terri due process of law? Or is there a strong suspicion that the euthansia forces AND Michael have an "arrangement".
Bumping that.
Greer refused to let DFC look into the matter.
This does not answer the question about why those at the hospital did not report this to the police.
Her collapse and being admitted to the hospital happened long before Greer was ever part of this story.
Apperently the hospital saw no evidence of foul play.
Michael Schiavo is a dirtbag.
They were allowed no input on the quality of care there. They might have advised him against it and saved him all the trouble.
Michael has blamed the Federal level, the State level, now he is blaming the very hospice he decided to take her to, which was the one where his lawyer was a member of the BOD.
Why didn't his lawyer advise him to move Terri somewhere better? They weren't getting their money's worth? Seems the lawyer would want that so Michael could afford to keep paying his bill.
He decided her life/death issue by himself, according to his switch in testimony, so why can't he decide the divorce by himself.
Besides, anyone can file for divorce, without the other person's knowledge or permission. Once you file, then you tell them to see you in court. Since Terri can't appear, Michael gets whatever he wants in the settlement, as this is the law.
I was commenting Friday how this has to be the biggest conspiracy of all time.
Let's look at the list of conspirators.
Micheal
Felos
Greer
The doctors who diagnosed her a PVS
The Gardian ad litum who agreed with the PVS diagnosis
The pinellas County Sheriff
Hospice
MSM
It has been said that Greer and Felos have a financial stake in the hospice which makes no sense that they would want Terri dead because it is to their advantage to fill beds not empty them.
The Gardian ad litem is anti Terri's Law so he lied.
Hospice migh have drugged her before the Gardian ad litem came so she couldn't respond.
The MSM repeats the lies that she is PVS because they are part of the culture of death.
The doctors who diagnosed her as PVS because they are part of the culture of death.
Felos because he is pro euthenasia.
It would also be to Felo's advantage to keep Terri alive until he milked all the settlement money.
I'm sure I've forgotten someone but you get my point.
The majority opinion expressed here is so far fetched that it is completely unbelievable.
Why people just can't make the simple argument that Terri should not be killed because it is morally and ethically wrong and leave it at that I do not understand.
Instead they insist on building these wild conspiracy therories which discredits them is just plain stupid.
I know there are a great deal of emotions over this case but you and many others are doing yourself and ultimatly Terri a disservice and libelling many in their wake.
This case has made FreeRepublic look as kooky as our friends at DU.
I don't say much in these threads.
I'm the kind of person who wants to see the good in everyone. Always innocent until proven guilty. I want to understand why people do what they do even if what they've done is wrong or strange.
I read this article and tried to put myself in his place. And in her family's place.
But something's not right. Something doesn't make sense.
He says he is getting death threats. People are picketing outside of his home. He's afraid for the safety of his children and the woman he loves.
Why would a rational, caring man put his family in such unnecessary danger and through stress? This entire situation has been at the forefront of their lives for years. Why risk the peace and security of his family?
If he believed the Schindlers would hurt Terri in some way, I'd understand his vigilance. But that's ludicrous. Apparently he's convinced that she's a vegetable. They can't possibly hurt her, just care for her. That's all they want, that is clear to everyone!
He is torturing them. He knows the one thing they want most in the world is to save her and keep her with them. Why is he trying so hard to take her away from them? Either he hates them or he has an ulterior motive. Why else would he put his lover through this, his siblings, his friends, his children?
If he just divorced her and walked away, no one at all would be hurt. It would eventually be forgotten, shoot, to some he'd be a hero. His children won't grow up in the shadow of it, he'd be free to marry the woman he loves, life would finally go on.
If he persists, Terri will die and her family is devastatingly hurt. His name will be scorned and hated for a long time. What is gained?
If all of this turmoil is for Terri's sake, he is doing wrong by his family and by his children. If it were all about Terri, he wouldn't be with another woman. Any man that devoted isn't out having kids and a life with someone else.
It just doesn't make sense.
I am sorry, but you are completely wrong.
She is in that hospice, because of Michael.
She is being executed, because of Michael.
Judge Greer did not file the cases he has presided over.
Your logic sounds just like Michael's. Blame everyone else for Terri dying.
Ask yourself, if the Judge allowed Michael to take funds out of the ESTATE, which the judge is the guardian of, then he implicity approved Michael filing suit to have Terri put to death. That means the Judge agreed with the concept, before he heard the evidence and made the ruling.
Isn't that rather odd? Unethical?
It's because of his testimony in the lawsuit.
It's because of his treatment of her. Contrary to his claims of how well he treated her, the preponderance of evidence indicates he despised her, and wanted her dead quite soon after he got the lawsuit settlement.
Those witnesses, volunteered to give their affidavits, and they have absolutely nothing to gain.
Michael has money, remarrying, no time out to have to deal with Terri, or the Lawyer, or the media.
He has contradicted himself, and tried to blame everyone else for 'his problems'.
He keeps her room dark and cold, has had personal effects removed.
He doesn't want her given water by mouth as she may choke to death.
At least it would me more merciful than dehydrating and starving her to death over a likely two week period.
The evidence was there, it was ruled not credible, because it interfered with the decision the judge already made when he allowed Michael to have the money to pay for the lawyer to file the case.
They also testified that 'Andy' never got yelled at. She was happy to do Mike's bidding and change patient charts to please him. They seemed to have a 'close' relationship. They testified Michael seemed to be destroying all their notings on her patient chart.
This doesn't seem like someone 'angry' over poor treatment of Terri.
Whatever the details are, it is clear that this case was not handled by the book. I totally forgot about the changed patient charts - that alone is damning.
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