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A shadow of war over Taiwan
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | 12 March 2005 | Sam Crane

Posted on 03/13/2005 6:25:39 AM PST by Lando Lincoln

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1 posted on 03/13/2005 6:25:39 AM PST by Lando Lincoln
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To: Lando Lincoln

Why don't we just equip Taiwan with nukes? Let the Chinese have their own N. Korean problem...


2 posted on 03/13/2005 6:31:51 AM PST by brivette
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To: Lando Lincoln
The growing contrast between dictatorial China and democratic Taiwan is more than just a matter of political form.

"democratic Taiwan" what a joke.
Chang was as dictatorial as any mainland despot. He just wasn't a commie.

3 posted on 03/13/2005 6:33:56 AM PST by starfish923
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To: brivette
Why don't we just equip Taiwan with nukes? Let the Chinese have their own N. Korean problem...

Since North Korea borders on China....one would say that they ALREADY have the problem.
Besides, if the U.S. had wanted Taiwan to have nukes, Taiwan would already have nukes. I think the U.S. trusts Taiwan as much as it trusts Russia.

4 posted on 03/13/2005 6:35:58 AM PST by starfish923
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To: brivette
Why don't we just equip Taiwan with nukes? Let the Chinese have their own N. Korean problem...

because China could turn around and give them to Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Lybia, etc ...

5 posted on 03/13/2005 6:58:22 AM PST by usgator
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To: Lando Lincoln
Actually, this puts US in a tough spot.  We preach freedom and the spread of democracy and will fight nations that try to stand in the way of this.

Will the US be willing to take on today's China (as opposed to the Korean War era China) to take a stand?  We've been having a very uneasy relationship with China the last few decades and neither one will want to back down and lose face.

Let's hope this can be resolved peacefully.

6 posted on 03/13/2005 7:03:15 AM PST by usgator
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To: Lando Lincoln

But the real question is: What would Wal-Mart do?


7 posted on 03/13/2005 7:10:05 AM PST by BBell
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To: starfish923

Actually, he got most of his military training from the Soviets, just he was more interested in unifying China than he was in spreading the "joys" of communism.


8 posted on 03/13/2005 7:10:06 AM PST by Stonewall Jackson (Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. - John Adams)
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To: Stonewall Jackson
Actually, he got most of his military training from the Soviets, just he was more interested in unifying China than he was in spreading the "joys" of communism.

I assume you are speaking of Mao Tse Tung? He was interested in unifying China too. I was referring to the equally despotic General Chang. I think he was interested in power too.
They were flip sides of the same coin.

9 posted on 03/13/2005 7:13:36 AM PST by starfish923
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To: brivette

Why don't we just equip Taiwan with nukes? Let the Chinese have their own N. Korean problem...

>>>

Who said Taiwan doesn't have a nuclear capability? lol


10 posted on 03/13/2005 7:17:03 AM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: starfish923

Nope. General Chaing Kai-shek (sp) received his military in the USSR.


11 posted on 03/13/2005 7:21:37 AM PST by Stonewall Jackson (Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. - John Adams)
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To: brivette
Why don't we just equip Taiwan with nukes? Let the Chinese have their own N. Korean problem...

That's exactly the sort of beligerant statement I expect to hear from a Democrat. Beligerance is not a sign of intelligence.

12 posted on 03/13/2005 7:27:29 AM PST by CometBaby (You can twist perceptions .. reality won't budge!)
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To: Lando Lincoln

War in our lifetime is not beyond possibility. And if it is war, this one will be hard.


13 posted on 03/13/2005 7:37:44 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: BBell

"But the real question is: What would Wal-Mart do?"

Yeah, the business community is so intertwined in China that I really wonder if we can (literally) afford to stand up to China. And I'm not just talking about the fortunes of rich people here. Business does tend to employ most people, and most businesses have some sort of economic dependence on China. And I can guarantee trouble with China will therefore hit everyone in the pocketbook to some extent. Then there is all of those bonds we sold them. (Whoops.)

If I were leader of Taiwan, I would definitely be worried that the US isn't going to do much if the Chinese come knocking.


14 posted on 03/13/2005 7:49:51 AM PST by New Orleans Slim
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To: Lando Lincoln

Taiwan has not demonstrated a willingness to sacrifice for its independence and freedom unlike, say, Israel. Have they acted yet on the $18 billion arms package that U.S. defense experts say is the minimum they need to protect themselves from PLA assault?


15 posted on 03/13/2005 7:59:32 AM PST by panzer_grey
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I've read numerous articles posted here at FR on China and I've come to the conclusion that the sensible business community in China does not want anything to do with a war over Taiwan. It's the old guard Chicoms who control the party and the Military that are always blustering about war. I do believe that it would be worse on us then them. Our idea of suffering is not being able to jump in your car and go to Wal mart for cheap goods. The Chinese idea of suffering is one bowl of rice with rat meat each day. Although a war that goes badly for the Chinese could lead to great changes, they will persevere. Would we?
16 posted on 03/13/2005 8:40:52 AM PST by BBell
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To: starfish923
"democratic Taiwan" what a joke. Chang was as dictatorial as any mainland despot. He just wasn't a commie.

That was over 50 years ago man. Do you deny that Taiwan is a democracy today?

17 posted on 03/13/2005 8:48:44 AM PST by Rider on the Rain
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To: panzer_grey
The package includes a number of antiquated items. The United States, in deference to Communist China, is not willing to sell Aegis equipped Destroyers. The package also includes diesel submarines. Unfortunately, the United States doesn't manufacturer diesel submarines. Other nations that do make these weapon systems are not willing to sell to Taiwan.

The arms package to Taiwan is a list of equipment that is, for the most part, antiquated or unavailable. The arms packages to Israel are modern, and financed by the United States taxpayer.

As an aside, Israel is currently marketing the Derby missile (AAM) to Communist China. The Bush administration has been a vocal opponent of the EU lifting the arms embargo. However, the administration has been relatively silent when it comes to Israel.
18 posted on 03/13/2005 8:59:38 AM PST by Goldwater4ever (Aut Pax Aut Bellum)
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To: SkyPilot
if it is war, this one will be hard.

From the CIA China country analysis website:

Population: 1,298,847,624 (July 2004 est.)

Military manpower availability: males age 15-49: 379,524,688 (2004 est.)

From 80 to 120 million surplus rural workers are adrift between the villages and the cities, many subsisting through part-time, low-paying jobs.

Growing shortages of electric power and raw materials will hold back the expansion of industrial output in 2004.

#2 world economy behind US with GDP +$7-tril, growing at +9%

19 posted on 03/13/2005 9:15:34 AM PST by Tenega
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To: Lando Lincoln

"then again, who really wanted war in Europe in 1914?"

Beware of entangling alliances eh? Or is this a necessary one?

This latest ratcheting up by PRC may appear to be more saber rattling rhetoric in response to the new reality of US/Japan cooperation but it is also giving them the political framework to QUICKLY implement direct action against a hypothetical Taiwanese 'Declaration Of Independence', as they saber rattled about after last years elections, which may be an ominous development considering their simultaneous military preparations...they arent building dozens of amphibious assault vessels to invade MARS eh? ;-)

The Japan gambit was a very smart one for the U.S. but this kind of response had to be respected so now what? A formal end to U.S. support of the One China policy?? More 'subtle' [and 'sensitive'] preparations with the Japanese??? ;-)

'Interesting' [in the ancient Chinese curse sense of the term] moves on the chessboard...


20 posted on 03/13/2005 9:23:22 AM PST by FYREDEUS
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