'Mildly Pro-Choice' Rice Won't Rule Out Presidential Bid

wash post ^ | March 13, 2005 | Mike Allen

[sam_paine]

Sure. I thought I heard her clearly tell Russet "Not running" too.

[HitmanLV]

I agree with you completely, which is why I have come to advocate a more cultural approcah rather than a legislative one.

Change people's minds about abortion and the number of abortions will diminish.

If our side can't change minds, we don't deserve to win on the issue.

[Lady Heron]

This more than just Condi. Every candidate being thrown around is not electable by the base.

Condi= pro-choice(Christians stay home)

Rudi=Liberal with serious personal problems in his past history (conservative and Christian base stay home)

McCain=Loon and liberal(conservatives and Christians whom he bashed in his run against Bush stay home)

Jeb is probably you best bet, but way to many Bushes have been president recently (the middle stays away)

You have to put up people the base trusts first and gets them excited before others will become excited

[digitalbrownshirt]

If you're pro abortion and claim to be a Christian, you'd better take a closer look at the Bible. It's not just an old book with a lot of good "stories". It's guide that God has given us.

Jesus himself said it would be better to tie a mill stone to your neck and be cast into the ocean than to harm a child.

[streetpreacher]

Very good commentary on this subject (IMO):

Mildly Pro Choice?
Catholic Way ^ | 3/13/05 | Keith A. Fournier
 

Posted on 03/13/2005 12:11:42 PM PST by tcg

 

[Liberator]

"I guess to some around here Laura Bush is a murderer, too."

Such hyperbolic hysteria is unnecessary.

If the First Lady were to describe her position on abortion as "mildly pro-choice" and "kind of libertarian," she'd have created quite a firestorm of animous herself.

There are generally three positions to take with regards to abortion:

1) Pro-Abortion on demand

2) Pro-Choice (aka, not my business what happens to the life and death of the fetus/unborn)

3) Pro-Life (permitting abortion in the rarest cases.

[jla]

It seems "mildly pro-choice" is worse than having Hillary in office to many FReepers. Go figure.

Then the solution's simple - if you want the G.O.P. to retain the Oval office then do not vote for any pro-choice, ("mildly" or otherwise) Republican in the primaries.
I would say that it's the Condiphiles, not the pro-lifers, who risk getting Hillary elected.

[MadIvan]

She needs some experience in an elected office, in my opinion. She's ideal for the VP slot. I still hold firm to the belief that Governor Mark Sanford of South Carolina is the most promising candidate.

Regards, Ivan

[streetpreacher]

I wrote this on the earlier thread.  I think it is a good response to yours and others' objections to "single-issue" voters and I think the author has already made better a case than I which is why I posted his remarks in italics.

Condi "Mildly Pro-Choice"

Posted by streetpreacher to Texas Songwriter On News/Activism 03/11/2005 10:50:46 PM PST · 1,054 of 1,482   I agree. Is it wrong to be a SINGLE issue voter on abortion? I submit that once the lines of demarcation are blurred on this one issue, it will be "Katie bar the door" on all of the others. If we as a party or a movement can justify compromise on the issue of the sanctity of life and the constitutional God-given right thereof, then we will have revealed that the conservative movement no longer even exists and will have no qualms about selling other principles to the highest bidder or the latest Gallup poll. When the foundation is removed, the whole edifice crumbles. I can remember when protecting the American border, abolishing the Department of Education (in order to keep education at the local level and away from the bureaucrats) and cutting entitlement programs were conservative positions. Now they are all considered extreme, intolerant and even "un-Christian" (in the words of my own Republican governor who wants to extend entitlements as "rights" to illegals). We have already become the party of “compassionate” (re: big government) conservatism. Remove the right to life and other moral issues and there isn’t much else to separate us from the opposition. Maybe we could just call off elections all together and agree to share power and swap Presidents and leadership positions every four years.

[Howlin]

3) Pro-Life (permitting abortion in the rarest cases.

Meaning the three exceptions?

[Liberator]

Secretary Rice...add[ed]..."We should not have the federal government in a position where it is forcing its views on one side or the other".

That's funny, Condi...Since when??

The "federal government" is the entity that ruled abortion IS legal by virtue of nine black robed ayatollahs and Roe vs. Wade, and of whom have been getting increasingly in the people's face WITHOUT said PEOPLE'S consent on any number of social engineering issues.

[adiaireton8]

If I were interested in attempting to weaken your conviction that all human life is "sacred" from conception, I would point out that roughly 30% of all pregnancies spontaneously abort, suggesting that God might not be as concerned as you may think.

Two words: non sequitur. When the tsunmi hit, did you conclude that God was not concerned about all those people?

-A8

[streetpreacher]

If our side can't change minds, we don't deserve to win on the issue.

The only thing your neat little political equation leaves out is all of those innocent human lives.

This is not an issue about "sides". This issue is all about their right to life as granted by their Creator and written into the Constitution.

It's not about "our side" winning; it's about truth and justice winning out and the poor, innocent slaughtered human beings winning.

Are you saying that the innocent only deserve to live if we can make a convincing argument for them?

Winning hearts and minds? Somebody should've tried that with the Nazis.

Let me know when you get to euthanasia age because at the rate this culture of death is sliding, we'll see how you like being reduced to a catch phrase in a game of political football.

[adiaireton8]

Besides, if you are stuck on only one issue then our party is in trouble. We can splinter into hundreds of groups that are each stuck on their one issue! This is ridiculus.

It is only ridiculous if all issues are equally important. This issue is more important than most, if not all other issues.

-A8

[adiaireton8]

The government should not be involved in unique issues? What is the justification for such a claim?

How would saving the lives of over 1 million children a year be a "disaster"?

-A8

[HitmanLV]

Are you saying that the innocent only deserve to live if we can make a convincing argument for them?

I'm not saying that they deserve to die. I am saying that if, given the good points you made, can't change people's minds, then we have failed the pro life cause as well as the unborn children who die.

Since we are right on the issue, moving minds shouldn't be a problem. It may be a challenge, and it may take a generation or two, but given the terrible track record of the legislative course of action, it's the wisest course of action at this point.

Comparing women who get abortions to Nazis isn't helpful. The pro life movement needs to grow beyond the 'lets make the other side feel bad' strategy (hint: it hasn't worked well at all) and start bringing change.

Ultimately, what's more important - feeling good about yourself or impacting change? For me, it's certainly not either/or, but I do value moving the status quo to a better place over any selfish sense I have of 'sleeping well at night.'

The political fabric has never mandated 100% agreement with our representatives. Sole issue voters of all flavors have a basic immaturity that makes them unable to cope with that.

The pro life leadership over the last 30 years has had a role in those 40 million abortions - they were ineffective in making change, and continue to be. That's a record many folks don't have the clarity to see.

[Dan from Michigan]

If Condi Rice was a white guy, there would be little hype whatsoever about her for president. The only two Secretary of States in recent memory to have any presidential hype are Colin Powell and Henry Kissinger. I never heard even James Baker hyped for president. In fact, there hasn't been a secretary of state elected president since James Buchanan. To go even further, Rice has never run for any elected office. She's an unknown campaigner. Can she related to the non diplomatic world? Can she handle 24/7 scrutiny? I don't know. No one does.

As for her interview in the Wash Times, I was very unimpressed. IMO she's trying to do a "John Dingell"(pro-choice outside of partial birth, tries to sound pro-life) or "David Bonior"(wind in the air) or even "Granholm"(talks almost pro-life but is hardline pro-abort) and try and have it both ways on the issue. I can respect and disagree with "I'm pro-choice in the first trimester" or "Pro-choice outside of partial birth abortion". She needs to stop the vagueness.

I'd like to know what makes Condi Rice qualified to be president. I'd like to know her stances on domestic issues. DEFECIT SPENDING, Taxes, 2nd Amendment(I've heard good there, although 2ndhand), jobs, life, trade, the UN, judges, border security, and the size of government.

She does a good job at state department. It's where I think she needs to stay.

[Dan from Michigan]

This more than just Condi. Every candidate being thrown around is not electable by the base.

Mark Sanford, Tim Pawlenty, George Allen...I'd vote for them.

[tkathy]

No law will ever stop one single abortion. Anyone who wants one will just go where they are available. Only by persuading young women will they not choose abortion. I personally don't think anyone knows when the soul enters the body thus becoming a sentient human being.

[bondserv]

I personally don't think anyone knows when the soul enters the body thus becoming a sentient human being.

When did God put Jesus in Mary's womb. i know no one who would argue it was after conception. Imagine someone saying, "Jesus wasn't really in Mary's womb until she was pregnant for three months".

In the scripture it is a given, and it should be for us as well. "She wasn't with child until after the first trimester" or, "we saw the blue line on the pregnancy test and we knew we had a little soul with us as early as the past two weeks".