Posted on 03/11/2005 3:47:39 AM PST by PatrickHenry
The subject quote for Lurkers:
But every story has two sides, so I'd like to also offer this account The Twilight of Darwinism at the Dawn of A New Millennium by Dr. Paul Chien from a Chinese Christian website - which also discusses the issues raised at the symposium and the quote now attributed to Jun-Yuan Chen.
Evidently, the issues center around the fossils of Chengjiang which evidence a sudden appearance of species too early for Darwin gradualism.
Sorry. I got it out of a fortune cookie. Wait til I give that restaurant whatfor.
"The schools already have electives to study Buddhism, Hinduism and Islam. Christianity should have it's place. "
Agreed, if there are any other religions being taught. In my schooling (in the early-mid 80s), no religion was taught. There was no controversy over this either.
One of the interesting things about that "quote" is the fact that it's so obviously idiotic. It's mainly in the US that criticizing Darwin has risen to the status of a bull-blown industry. The charlatans who engage in it grow rich off their books, tapes and amusement parks.
My schooling was before Miller-Urey, but my kids' was after.
What they got was things like "potential for explaining" "suggestive of" "exciting because it shows a way" and similar.
It was never taught as a part of evolution.
The Miller_Urey experiments were, in fact, a great breakthrough, were definitely exciting, and did, and do still, have a potential for leading to an explanation of either the origin of life or a method for creating life, in scientific terms. So, I don't see anything wrong with what you or your daughter were taught.
Lastly, of course there were problems with the orginal experiments. But they still pointed in a fascinating direction with much later work built on them.
That was a very well thought out post. However, beware of the term "irreducible complexity". That is a term that sounds good but has no meaning and is not used. That which is complex can always be reduced to another level. While there is an expansion of knowledge that can be hard to sort out initially, such as in molecular biology, what is really going on is simplification - a reduction of complexity.
You would've loved the '60's. ;)
Apparently sarcasm is way way over your head.
That's Dr. Chien speaking.
The fossils of Chengjiang bespeak an extraordinary explosion of the animal life of all phyla "suddenly" appearing "all at once." There is no significant prior fossil record prior to the Cambrian explosion, which apparently had a substantial center in the Chengjiang province of China. This does not argue for the Darwinian concept of gradualism by any means.
Fascinating article, Alamo-Girl. Thank you so much for the link!
If it wasn't for tax funded established academia,
darwinism would be just another failed religion.
It made a lot of prophecies that haven't happened.
And the discovery of the DNA code [what if the sequences were exhibited , like on flower petals?]
smashed darwinian primitive protoplasm.
It will never recover...despite your hysterical shrillness.
Creationists are well-named, they are good at creation of "facts."
40% believe it was space aliens. So, it was an act of creation in the lab if that is the case. Perhaps a Martian spermatocapsule landed there when Mars was being destroyed.
patrick, patrick, patrick, what can I say? Was some bad ole Christian mean to you oncet?
Where does the information come from when a program learns from experience? Is it impossible to understand that selection is information?
in a recent article in The Wall Street Journal, Phillip Johnson quotes a Chinese professor saying: "You Americans say that in China we cannot criticize the government, but you see we can criticize Darwin. In America you can criticize the government, but not Darwin."
Your link attributed the quote to Johnson, not to Jun-Yuan Chen as you claim. So, your link just shows that there's still nothing but Johnson's unsubstantiated claim.
An important lesson from Miller is that prior to what he did, what he did was "impossible". The goalpost is now shifted. We are now charged with the task of unblending a frog.
Oh, spare us the martyr complex. You poor oppressed people are criticizing Darwin. The worst thing that can happen is that other people will think you're incorrect and ignorant. Boo hoo.
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