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Teach the controversy [Creationism thru the back door]]
baltimoresun.com ^ | 11 March 2005 | Stephen C. Meyer and John Angus Campbell

Posted on 03/11/2005 3:47:39 AM PST by PatrickHenry

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For those who don't know, Stephen C. Meyer is the author of the ID paper that was recently ballyhoo-ed as a breakthrough for ID because it appeared in a respected science jouronal, but the journal then retracted it:
Statement from the Council of the Biological Society of Washington regarding the publication of the paper by Stephen C. Meyer in Volume 117(2) of the Proceedings.

And as for the Discovery Institute, mull this over:
One Nation, Under the Designer. The true goals of the ID movement.
Discovery Institute's "Wedge Project". Replacing science with theism.
The Wedge at Work. The Discovery Institute's war against reason.
The "Wedge Document": "So What?" The Discovery Instutute defends the Wedge document.

1 posted on 03/11/2005 3:47:39 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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2 posted on 03/11/2005 3:49:04 AM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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....WHAT SHOULD public schools teach about life's origins? Should science educators teach only contemporary Darwinian theory or not mention it? Should school boards mandate that students learn about alternative theories? If so, which ones? Or should schools forbid discussion of all theories except neo-Darwinism?.....How about teaching them how to balance a checkbook...how about teaching them how to deal with income taxes....how about teaching them that over 20 percent of what they earn will be taken away by the government...don't look at the gross...look at the net....good luck children...you will need it....


3 posted on 03/11/2005 3:56:49 AM PST by Route101
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teachers should teach about the scientific controversy that now exists over Darwinian evolution.

I wasn't aware there was one.

4 posted on 03/11/2005 3:59:51 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (The true danger is when Liberty is nibbled away, for expedients. - Edmund Burke (1799))
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To: PatrickHenry

The agenda of idiotic intolerence continues...


5 posted on 03/11/2005 4:00:27 AM PST by sirchtruth (Words Mean Things...)
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We should also teach the controversy over whether or not the Earth spins. An alternative theory (contrary to current scientific dogma) states that if the Earth were spinning and you dropped an object from a tall building, the object should fall down and away from the building. However, in real life experiments, the object falls straight down. Therefore, the Earth does not spin.
6 posted on 03/11/2005 4:02:36 AM PST by billybudd
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To: PatrickHenry

Teach the Truth.


7 posted on 03/11/2005 4:03:30 AM PST by kinsman redeemer (the real enemy seeks to devour what is good)
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I wasn't aware there was one [a "controversy" to teach].

There isn't a scientific controversy. The Discovery Institute (a very well funded creationist outfit) is running s slick public relations campaign to convince people that there's a scientific controversy, when really, creationist propaganda is all that's going on. The article says:

More than 375 scientists, including researchers from institutions such as MIT, Yale, Rice and the Smithsonian, have signed a statement questioning the creative power of the selection/mutation mechanism.
That's rather laughable.
Doubting Darwinism Through Creative License. Debunks a bogus list of "doubters."
AAAS Board Resolution on Intelligent Design Theory. ID isn't science.
Project Steve. Nat'l Center for Science Education: the overwhelming number of genuine scientists supporting evolution.
The National Association of Biology Teachers' Statement on Teaching Evolution. Over 9,000 members.
9 posted on 03/11/2005 4:09:49 AM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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There isn't a scientific controversy.

That pure crap and you know it...You are not being honest about this at all!!

Biology is the ONLY science that will not acknowledge ID!!

Evolutionism to you guys is like a friggin' cult, you just can't let go, can you?

10 posted on 03/11/2005 4:22:26 AM PST by sirchtruth (Words Mean Things...)
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I think we should stick with the materialist fantasy for as long as the lawyers and leftist professors can hold the line. The students will naturally rebel and read the banned books to find the truth.


11 posted on 03/11/2005 4:22:56 AM PST by metacognative (eschew obfuscation)
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Why do you think your religion should be given preference in the classroom?


12 posted on 03/11/2005 4:26:44 AM PST by THEUPMAN (#### comment deleted by moderator)
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Not all of us are so hobbled as to be unable to tell the difference between ID and legitimate science.


13 posted on 03/11/2005 4:33:55 AM PST by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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Biology is the ONLY science that will not acknowledge ID!!

Biology, and Chemistry, ....

15 posted on 03/11/2005 4:42:50 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (The true danger is when Liberty is nibbled away, for expedients. - Edmund Burke (1799))
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Anything taken on faith is a religion friend ...

Now .. If you can fill me in on the specifics of that first little spark ... or what ever it is that you hold so dear as the "beginning " of this evolution thing ... perhaps I can get with you ..

Religions are often centered on observations of the physical world.


16 posted on 03/11/2005 4:48:31 AM PST by THEUPMAN (#### comment deleted by moderator)
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So who lives in the Baltimore area and wants to write a letter to the Baltimore Sun pointing out that the author of the article seems not to know the science classes in elementary and high school do not teach the "origin of life"?

And, to further point out that when the teacher is that nice (Hindu, Buddhist, Muslim) neighbor from down the block, the alternative theory they teach might not be exactly what mom'n dad had in mind.


17 posted on 03/11/2005 4:52:30 AM PST by From many - one.
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To: THEUPMAN

Origin of species does not, repeat not, mean, imply or refer to origin of life.


18 posted on 03/11/2005 4:57:47 AM PST by From many - one.
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To: Oztrich Boy
Biology is the ONLY science that will not acknowledge ID!!
Biology, and Chemistry, .... Oh, and Geology. Ummmm, I'm pretty sure Physics has some problems with it too. Especially with that crazy misinterpretation of the 2nd law these creationists have
19 posted on 03/11/2005 5:01:04 AM PST by crail (Better lives have been lost on the gallows than have ever been enshrined in the halls of palaces.)
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I don't understand why people are getting "hyper" about this.

Government schools turn out students that have little understanding of math, geography, English, science....with many semi-literate in the education necessary to survive in this world!!!....

Why get your panties all twisted because there is outrage over creationism or evolution??? Forget that crap and get back to basics involving this world.

20 posted on 03/11/2005 5:15:48 AM PST by squirt-gun
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