Breaking: Bill Clinton to Undergo More Medical Procedures

MSNBC | March 8, 2005

[Texas Songwriter]

I believe what she was speaking of is the treatment of an acute pneumothorax or a large hydrothorax. When the substance of the lung is violated, upon drawing in a breath, some of the air goes through the trachae,bronchus, bronchial tubules, alveoli and out into the space between the lung and the chest wall. The air will accummulate because it cannot transgress the opposite direction passing through a perforation in the parenchyma of the lung. What happens then is the pressure builds up and presses on the lung and it collapses. When that happens gasses are not exchanged. If the pressure continues and becomes great it will creat what is called a tension pneumothorax and will push the heart and great vessels to the opposite direction. This is an acute surgical emergency and we "stab" the paitient with a stented chest tube. Now, that is not what Mr. Clinton has.

If it is true that he is to undergo a pleuredesis he probably has a loculation of fluid between the lung and chest wall which has "walled off" and accummulated fluid. I suspect, if that is the case, they have "needled" the fluid under ultrasound direction or possibly CT direction and drained the fluid, only for it to recur. The decortication proceedure will create an enormous inflammatory reaction between the lung which has been stripped of its pleura (covering over the lung) and the chest wall. It will then adhese and obliterate the "pocket" where the fluid has recurred.

As one freeper said, it may be possible to do this with a thoracoscope,(that is without completely opening the chest wall). If they have to do an open thoracotomy, he will have a more difficult post operative period with much pain. Those freepers who have had their chest opened can attest that it is very, very painful to spread the ribs. Most of the time when you do that you have to break ribs to get your hand into the chest. This will sound paradoxical, but once you break the adhesions and enter the pocket of fluid, then you rub the pleura with a 4 by 4 or laparotomy sponge to irritate it (sometimes putting in medication or talc) to create an inflammatory response to "cement" the lung with the chest wall. ONce it fuses, (grows together) there is not a potential space for fluid to accummulate.

[uncbob]

You have no right to say that. You have no idea what has gone on in his soul.

I have all the right in the world as they say actions speak volumnes and he supported every left wing corrupt liar in the last election just as he always did

[xm177e2]

I wish him good health.

[ruoflaw]

Thanks for your most informative post!

[Judith Anne]

Thanks for your comments, nice to "see" you. ;-D

[ohioWfan]

You cannot base what is going on in his heart with the external evidence you have, any more than I can determine what is going on in your soul by what you post on this forum.

It's not an ability we humans have.

I have seen what appears to be a softening of his ego and arrogance since his first surgery. It is entirely possible that the seeds of repentance have been formed, and have not yet resulted in real observable changes in behavior.

I'm as skeptical as anybody about trusting this guy, but God's redemptive power can't be dismissed in changing a person's life........even Bill Clinton's.

[pubmom]

I agree with everything you just wrote, prayers for his health.

[uncbob]

You cannot base what is going on in his heart with the external evidence you have,

Well that evidence will do me fine until he shows me otherwise

He still is EVIL until I see EVIDENCE to the contrary which I don't

[Mo1]

Well, we'll just put you down under the column "Unable to Comprehend Change."

Add me too

I will say a pray for him and I hope he has a full recovery

But that man has not changed ..

[CyberAnt]

I thought it was very clever how they timed this information to be released just as President Bush is giving a major statement about the PROGRESS IN IRAQ.

Nobody will appear to notice - especially not the media who orchestrated it.

[Stellar Dendrite]

"I have seen what appears to be a softening of his ego and arrogance since his first surgery. It is entirely possible that the seeds of repentance have been formed, and have not yet resulted in real observable changes in behavior."

You should have put a BARF alert in your post. You're seriously going to say this about a man who stated that it's "OK to kill people who hurt you"?

A man that has had a role in MANY suspicious deaths, the most famous being Vincent Foster and Ron Brown?

That said, I wish him the best of health until the '08 election is over. If he dies, Hillary could capitalize on the "poor widow" situation. I wouldn't put it past her to do what Putin and his cronies did to Yuschenko......

[ohioWfan]

He still is EVIL until I see EVIDENCE to the contrary which I don't

I have NO problem with that.

But we are still commanded to pray for our enemies. And as of now, I agree that he still fits that description.

[Stellar Dendrite]

My final statement needs a little clarification: "I *also* wouldn't put it past her to do what Putin and his cronies did to Yuschenko"

[ohioWfan]

Redemption, Stellar.

It has nothing to do with Bill Clinton and what he's done. It has everything to do with his Creator, and what HE's done.

[ohioWfan]

My final statement needs a little clarification: "I *also* wouldn't put it past her to do what Putin and his cronies did to Yuschenko"

Me either.......on both counts.

[Search4Truth]

The Lord's judgment cometh, and right soon.

[spectre]

Something tells me, just a guess here, that Texas "Songwriter" is more than just that....I could be wrong, LOL.

sw

[Peach]

But that man has not changed.

Sadly, I have to agree with you. Wasn't it just a few days ago we posted what he said about Iran and how they were, in some respects, more democratic than his own country?

[GretchenM]

I was really surprised, shocked is a better word, that these two former presidents, neither being spring chickens, were hurtling through the skies up on a jet that had only one bed. It seemed wise to me to have them to arrange a stop somewhere if they couldn't afford a jet with two beds.

[Mo1]

yep .. and he said a few other things at that Forum