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Romanowski trial: Doctor says Williams has 'irreversible' injuries
Contra Costa Times ^ | 3/7/5 | Ivan Delventhal

Posted on 03/07/2005 3:16:50 PM PST by SmithL

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To: Republican Wildcat
That's about as valid as comparing paper clips and supersonic jets.

Not really (and that is why I said on another extent) - The basic point being if we grow a nation of wimps who honestly think suing is the answer to a fight on a football field between two men......we are going down a road that does not produce men who when the going gets tough....get the tough going.....

We will grow men such as France does today -

61 posted on 03/07/2005 5:25:18 PM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: Republican Wildcat
That's about as valid as comparing paper clips and supersonic jets.

Not really (and that is why I said on another extent) - The basic point being if we grow a nation of wimps who honestly think suing is the answer to a fight on a football field between two men......we are going down a road that does not produce men who when the going gets tough....get the tough going.....

We will grow men such as France does today -

62 posted on 03/07/2005 5:25:58 PM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: RightWinger
"This wasn't Romanowski's first cheap blow, he's notorious for it."

That's a big part of this story -- Romanowski has been a punk for a long time.

63 posted on 03/07/2005 5:27:20 PM PST by Liberator
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To: DevSix

You saying that US soldiers are steroid-addled psychopaths?? Take it back buddy, before you piss some people off!


64 posted on 03/07/2005 5:31:08 PM PST by babble-on
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To: Republican Wildcat
The complete bottom line to this situation is these were grown men on a football field. A football field is a violent place where from time to time situations get out of hand a little - Fights happen - Williams and Romo had been going at it all practice and also from a prior practice. It got over heated simple as that -

From what I have read / heard Romo told Williams afterward he was sorry - he'd pick up his medical bills and that should have been that -

We do not need lawyers, courtrooms and judges for situations like these -

Williams is not owed millions of dollars - That type of thinking is simply ridiculous -

65 posted on 03/07/2005 5:33:29 PM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: DevSix
And on another extent - You are da*n thankful to have exactly these type men out on the tip of the spear with regard to the front lines of the WOT - It is exactly these type men who (not wimps) who are fighting and winning our WOT -

You mean that our soldiers are on steroids and suffering from roid rage, the way Bill Romanowski is? Sheesh.

66 posted on 03/07/2005 5:35:35 PM PST by NYCVirago
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To: babble-on
You saying that US soldiers are steroid-addled psychopaths??

No, I never said anything remotely close to that - Anyone willing to have an ounce of intellectually honest would know that -

It is you who made the silly comparison. Buddy.

67 posted on 03/07/2005 5:35:55 PM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: DevSix
Do I sense jock envy here?? - Think so -

.....yes that's right I envy you........but wait, I played too! So how can that be? And by the way, if you REALLY played, which I doubt, then you'd know that "wheels" are not a reason for not advancing...you'd know that.
68 posted on 03/07/2005 5:41:01 PM PST by Vinomori
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To: DevSix
You have never played football at any competitive level - Your statement above confirms this - Fights at practice are routine in football

I haven't but my son has. He played for two different high school teams. The first team was coached by a disciplinarian who stressed teamwork to an extraordinary degree and would not tolerate any of his players losing their cool and fighting with or taking cheap shots at a team mate during practices or games. That team went 11-0 my son's sophomore year.

The second team was at a larger high school that had better athletes including a couple of prima donnas who were allowed to play on talent alone. Discipline was inconsistently imposed, and the coach tolerated fist fights between players without a second thought. That team went 2-10. My son, a junior, got fed up with this second team and quit before the first scheduled game. It's a shame, because he would have been a starting pulling guard, at 6'2" and 245 pounds with 4.6 speed.

This may not mean anything beyond these two teams, but sometimes I wonder.

69 posted on 03/07/2005 5:52:09 PM PST by JCEccles (If Jimmy Carter were a country, he'd be Canada.)
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To: Vinomori
.but wait, I played too!

Ahhh...but did you "play football at a competitive level?" :0)

70 posted on 03/07/2005 5:55:42 PM PST by Skooz (Overtaxed host organism for the parasitical State)
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To: DevSix

Oh, you're comparing Romanowski to our brave fighting forces? Seriously?
bwahahahahahahahaha!


71 posted on 03/07/2005 5:55:54 PM PST by blowfish
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To: DevSix
DevSix,

F' You and your jock attitude.
F'ing Romanowski never donned "THE" uniform, and neither did you. He went after the money, and now he has to defend it.

F' You for bringing the military into your f'ing jock p!ssing contest, @sshole.

72 posted on 03/07/2005 5:57:50 PM PST by surfatsixty (Proud Father of a USMC Grunt.)
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To: DevSix
I don't get all the emotion. Its wierd all these folks here are so certain of what went on, since not even many Raiders witnessed the fight. I mean, its possible Williams took a cheap shot & Romo responded - nobody really knows.

The fact that Romo wasn't charged, and Williams was cleared to play by the team doctor afterwards says all we really need to know re this incident.

Besides, I don't remember anybody getting excited about Romo when he was with the niners, or even with Denver, at least 'till he spit at JJ Stokes. And the Williams thing was his one & only incident at Oakland.

Could be all this is just a Raiders thing - Silver & Black just intimidates some guys:)

73 posted on 03/07/2005 5:58:55 PM PST by skeeter ("A nation without borders is not a nation" RW R)
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To: DevSix
And on another extent - You are da*n thankful to have exactly these type men out on the tip of the spear with regard to the front lines of the WOT - It is exactly these type men who (not wimps) who are fighting and winning our WOT -

You say here that Romanesko is the same type as is in the US military. But in fact Romanesko is a sociopath whose behavior has been warped by years of steroid abuse. Is that really what you think of the US military?

74 posted on 03/07/2005 5:59:06 PM PST by babble-on
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To: skeeter
Silver & Black just intimidates some guys

Not the Kansas City Chiefs............ :0)

75 posted on 03/07/2005 5:59:58 PM PST by Skooz (Overtaxed host organism for the parasitical State)
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To: babble-on

scratch that. Romanesko is a blogger and a pretty good one. Romanowski is the nutcase.


76 posted on 03/07/2005 6:02:22 PM PST by babble-on
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To: babble-on
You say here that Romanesko is the same type as is in the US military. But in fact Romanesko is a sociopath whose behavior has been warped by years of steroid abuse. Is that really what you think of the US military?

Huh? -The quote you list is not even referring to when I was discussing Romo! - It was referring to what a person should do if they get their as$ kicked - To which I said deal with it - (not sue!). Those that wouldn't sue are the type of men I was referring to not wimps who run to lawyers.

77 posted on 03/07/2005 6:04:17 PM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: DevSix
Sorry. I'm old fashioned. I still believe in things like sportsmanship (laugh if you will). I think if someone smashes a guy's eyesocket into his head, threatening his life and ending his career, he has crossed the line.

Why don't you tell us exactly how far he would have *had* to go before legal action takes place (since some of us with less 'common sense' still think fracturing people's skulls is a bad, bad thing):
Neck breaking OK?
Compound skull fracture OK?
Deliberate breaking of legs OK?

News flash: occasionally, the presence of lawyers and judges *is a good thing*!

78 posted on 03/07/2005 6:06:04 PM PST by blowfish
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To: DevSix
I think are mistakenly confusing strength and courage for steriod induced rage. Pat Tillman was a real man - in about every way you can measure one. You don't find stories about him sucker punching anybody

Romo was basically a criminal who had a talent in playing football. If he wasn't on the football field, he would be in San Quentin. Defending his actions isn't even something his own teammates would do, it doesn't make sense that somebody completely outside of the situation would do so either.

Lawsuits are a legitimate way of resolving damages. Not all of them are frivolous. If I decide to drive over your wife, its not fair to just tell you to 'get over it' and 'grow a sack' or something similar. There are some cases of real damages which cannot be remedied aside from the exchange of money. In this particular case, the plaintiff is going to lose hundreds of thousands at least and possibly millions of dollars simply by being unable to make an NFL roster during the few peak years he has. Considering that this was a completely intentional act, wouldn't it actually be more 'manly' to tell Romo to step up and pay the man instead of hiding behind a lawyer to avoid being responsible for his actions while he was taking illegal drugs? Its not as though his sneak attack on this player somehow benefited his team. Maybe Romo ought to be compensating the Raiders as well since he cost them loads of money also?

If you want to go back to the wild west days before courts became the venue for civil tort remedies, Romo would either be shot by the family of this guy or jailed for the assault. Maybe the family would just kill Romo and take whatever possessions he had as their own as penance.

If Romo where at all innocent here or if his actions had been taken in the course of the game (ie, Jack Tatum - dirty but by the rules), then there wouldn't be a lawsuit and I would completely agree with you that this was a guy who was underinsured and trying to cover his @ss with Romo's money. But there is nothing yet presented which indicates that this was anything but a criminal act by a guy who was already breaking the rules by drugging himself.

And if you want to address this on just football terms, why didn't the Raiders just ignore this incident if this is the way football teams police themselves? Why aren't Romo's teammates sticking up for him? Even hockey fans, who think fighting is one of the fundamental parts of the game, were horrified when that player got sucker punched into a coma last year. Even players who have six figure dental bills thought that this was a criminal act and not a single one came out and excuses it as 'part of the game.'

This act was simply beyond defending - unless you are Johnny Cochran or Mark Geragos. And that is who Romo is now left with as companions.

79 posted on 03/07/2005 6:09:26 PM PST by bpjam (I don't know what a neo-con is and neither does anybody else.)
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To: bpjam
If Romo where at all innocent here or if his actions had been taken in the course of the game (ie, Jack Tatum - dirty but by the rules), then there wouldn't be a lawsuit and I would completely agree with you that this was a guy who was underinsured and trying to cover his @ss with Romo's money. But there is nothing yet presented which indicates that this was anything but a criminal act by a guy who was already breaking the rules by drugging himself.

If Romo was innocent here there wouldn't be criminal charges.

Wait a minute, there isn't.

80 posted on 03/07/2005 6:11:55 PM PST by skeeter ("A nation without borders is not a nation" RW R)
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