Posted on 02/26/2005 8:43:02 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING
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And the bits of pollen, insects, etc. that are only found in the specific corner of the world Jesus was crucified in that just happen to be stuck all over the shroud? Was that faked, too? How about the 3D nature of the head wounds, as if the bloody, matted hair passed through the shroud at a point in time? I suppose that was faked as well?
Sorry, just b/c this guy has found a technique that duplicates a single aspect of the shroud doesn't come anywhere close to showing it as a forgery.
When was glass invented?
About 2000 BC.
thank you
As hard as many, many people have tried, no one has been able to create an exact reproduction of the shroud, nor can anyone explain all of the evidence that suggests it actually is a genuine ancient death shroud of a crucified man. So many attempts to reproduce it are like this example, which fails to consider the limited medical and technical knowledge of even the most learned men of the 1300s.
A medieval man "could" have built the same phonograph that Edison built in 1877.
And the 3-D characteristics of the Shroud are NOT apparent to the human observer. It is only when a computer is used in order to plot the brightness of each point on the image onto a graph, that the three-dimensional information in the image becomes apparent.
Making any fuss about this particula experiment makes no more sense than waving a piece of fabric about and declaring: "The Shroud is made of cloth, and here is a piece of cloth manufactured in the 18th century, therefore the Shroud could have been created in the 18th century!"
Very clever. Now perhaps he can explain the pollen evidence and the amazing "coincidence" of the same blood type being on both the Mandylion ("Shroud") and the Sudarium (Head cloth of Christ - which is documented to have arrived in Spain ahead of the Mohammedan invasion of North Africa in the 700s, after having been in Alexandria for the previous 700 years.)
Good luck to him on explaining away that one.
glass panes?
Moscow, Idaho? Isn't that a forgery?
Well, there are only 8 different blood types. And all the shroud had to do was spend some time in the part of the world where that pollen was located. You state in your comment examples of pices of cloth moving great distances over time.
Comments?
Pollen studies show that the Mandylion ("Shroud") traveled from Israel through Turkey to Constantinople (from where it was removed to Turin, either by the Crusaders who sacked Constantinople, or to save it from the Turks - we'll probably never know exactly which one).
The Sudarium pollen studies show it traveling from Israel through north Africa to Spain.
Corroborating the historical/traditional explanations of the travels of both objects.
Not only are the blood types the same, but the blood and wound patterns visible on the sudarium appear to match perfectly the dimensions of the head on the Shroud, as well as the location of the wounds on that head.
And, again - the history of the Sudarium is documented all the way back to the eigth century in Spain, and earlier in North Africa.
[Artists are simply not able to produce images like that on their own, and so many conclude the Shroud is an authentic relic of Christ's resurrection.]
I'm amazed at the number of people who insist that our ancestors were idiots and were incapable of crafting and constructing things that impress us today.
Why is it so difficult to believe that dedicated people living thousands of years ago built great pyramids and constructed accurate astronomical stone timepieces and created realistic human faces on cloth for artistic reasons?
Oak Hay, Oak Hay... I confess... I did it... It was me... All by myself... I created the Shroud of Turin while I was time traveling !!!
Now please take the panties off my head... I can't stand any more of this brutal torture !!! ;-))
About the 10th or 11th century.
About 2000 BC.
A far better question is "when was transparent glass formed into sheets like windowpanes invented?"
Early glasses were mostlly opaque. Window glass was not produced in the UK until 1226, and it was of poor quality. ref: http://www.londoncrownglass.co.uk/History.html
Early window glass was very expensive and not likely to be wasted in producing a forgery. Going to the hardware store and buying a windowpane was not really possible until fairly modern times.
While the Romans had glass and even transparent glass, it was all hand blown and used for drinking glassses, bottles, vases and the like. No windowpanes.
No matter how many painted bottles you collect, you will never replicate anything like the shroud.
Our ancestors may not have been idiots---but humans have been a bit slow to figure this one out.
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