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History of modern man unravels as German scholar is exposed as fraud
The Guardian ^ | February 19, 2005 | Luke Harding

Posted on 02/21/2005 9:44:35 AM PST by FNU LNU

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To: orionblamblam

You and shubi and some other extremist evos have the nasty habit of assuming that someone who does not see the evidence the same way you do MUST BE LYING.


61 posted on 02/21/2005 11:10:52 AM PST by Ahban
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To: mlc9852

So scientists never have any other agenda than discovering the truth?




"Scientists" might have another agenda, but "science" doesn't. Science is pure. It rises above individual weakness. If an individual tries a fraud, it won't last long and certainly a whole theory of human history wouldn't come unraveled because of the errors or even lies of one guy. That's how religion works. ONe guy comes along and says something and everybody just accepts it in faith. Science would never let that happen.


62 posted on 02/21/2005 11:11:01 AM PST by Rippin
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To: FNU LNU

63 posted on 02/21/2005 11:11:17 AM PST by Lady Jag (Honor)
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To: Rippin

Without "scientists", where would "science" be?


64 posted on 02/21/2005 11:11:44 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: Rippin

Your lame arguments are becoming tiring.


65 posted on 02/21/2005 11:12:23 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: Ahban
You and shubi and some other extremist evos have the nasty habit of assuming that someone who does not see the evidence the same way you do MUST BE LYING.

Yes they do. It is a serious character flaw.

66 posted on 02/21/2005 11:13:06 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Ahban

> extremist evos

Translation: anyone who recognizes that evolution happens.


67 posted on 02/21/2005 11:14:10 AM PST by orionblamblam
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To: orionblamblam
Oh goody, just one more in a very long list of frauds in the anthropology field. One begins to wonder if they really care about science or has their fanaticism to prove God wrong over taken the need for truth in their "proofs", so that fraud becomes more important than science so that we can change peoples beliefs....no I take that back, I do not have to wonder.

How can anything be believed coming from these "scientist" where truth and facts do not matter but ingraining a lie to prove God wrong does. This field has become a sad joke.

68 posted on 02/21/2005 11:15:50 AM PST by Lady Heron
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To: mlc9852

Without "scientists", where would "science" be?




What are you a socialist? If I am greedy and pursue only my own self interest, that doesn't make me good. But that doesn't mean that Capitalism is greedy or isn't the best way to take care of the poor or doesn't rise above my weakness. Bad consumers and producers can still result in good economy just like bad scientists can result in good science.

Saying a whole theory of humanity in Europe is unraveling because one guy lied is like saying the whole economy of the US. is going in the tank because one guy stole gum at Wal-Mart.


69 posted on 02/21/2005 11:16:47 AM PST by Rippin
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To: Rippin

What exactly is the whole theory of humanity in Europe?


70 posted on 02/21/2005 11:19:20 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: FNU LNU
Everyone is missing a rather astounding deduction that is almost inevitable from the way this is presented:

The skull fragment discovered in a peat bog near Hamburg was more than 36,000 years old - and was the vital missing link between modern humans and Neanderthals.

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Prof Protsch's work appeared to prove that anatomically modern humans and Neanderthals had co-existed, and perhaps even had children together.

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His discovery appeared to show that Neanderthals had spread much further north than was previously known. But his university inquiry was told that a crucial Hamburg skull fragment, which was believed to have come from the world's oldest German, a Neanderthal known as Hahnhöfersand Man, was actually a mere 7,500 years old

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Another of the professor's sensational finds, "Binshof-Speyer" woman, lived in 1,300 BC and not 21,300 years ago, as he had claimed, while "Paderborn-Sande man" (dated at 27,400 BC) only died a couple of hundred years ago, in 1750.

OK, he got the dates wrong.  But do the bone fragments still belong to Neanderthal?  Including the ones from 5,500 B.C., 1,300 B.C. and 1750 A.D.?

If so we have a HUGH and SERIES discovery of monumental proportions.

Everything I can find says that Neanderthal became extinct around 30,000 years ago.  Does this article say that they survived till as recently as 1750?  Even redating their extinction to 5,500 B.C. (7,500 years ago) would be a discovery worthy of a Nobel Prize.

Or is it simply as badly written as most other MSM tripe about science?

Enquiring minds want to know.  And they'll probably believe whatever drivel Dan Blather and Peter Jennings shove down their throats.

71 posted on 02/21/2005 11:20:16 AM PST by Phsstpok ("When you don't know where you are, but you don't care, you're not lost, you're exploring.")
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To: orionblamblam; ColoCdn
You decline to define "anti-religious bigot?"

We thought your posts defined the term pretty well.

72 posted on 02/21/2005 11:21:33 AM PST by itsahoot (There are some things more painful than the truth, but I can't think of them.)
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To: Lady Heron

> just one more in a very long list of frauds in the anthropology field

A shorter list than that of religious frauds, to be sure.

> their fanaticism to prove God wrong

Ah. I *love* that! I'm sure there were those who thought Galileo, Kepler, Newton, et al. were out to "prove God wrong" too.


73 posted on 02/21/2005 11:38:28 AM PST by orionblamblam
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To: orionblamblam

Hey, you got the last word. Congratulations.

Oh, jeez, now it's me.
Well, that just reeks, don' it?

See you down the road.


74 posted on 02/21/2005 12:12:37 PM PST by ColoCdn (Neco eos omnes, Deus suos agnoset)
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To: FNU LNU

Maybe this prof can team up with Ward Churchill and make a double header.


75 posted on 02/21/2005 12:19:36 PM PST by ViLaLuz
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To: orionblamblam
Ah. I *love* that! I'm sure there were those who thought Galileo, Kepler, Newton, et al. were out to "prove God wrong" too.

You might want to study most of these early scientist and what motivated them. I think you might be in for a huge supprise, they were not out to prove God wrong.

76 posted on 02/21/2005 12:46:21 PM PST by Lady Heron
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To: Lady Heron

> they were not out to prove God wrong

And *AMAZINGLY* neither are the vast majority of modern scientists. That anti-God conspiracy only exists in the fevered imaginations of those whose weak faith causes them to seek out opportunities to act the victim.


77 posted on 02/21/2005 12:50:47 PM PST by orionblamblam
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To: orionblamblam
A shorter list than that of religious frauds, to be sure.

Yes there have been many religious frauds but the difference, the Christian world does not back them (once the Bible was in the language of the people) they demand proof.

At this point I am not sure that the list is that much longer for the religious frauds having spent time studying the Anthropology frauds. Both are an interesting study though, for the honest.

78 posted on 02/21/2005 12:52:09 PM PST by Lady Heron
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To: Lady Heron

> Yes there have been many religious frauds but the difference, the Christian world does not back them

Uh-huh. One word: Televangelists.


79 posted on 02/21/2005 12:56:03 PM PST by orionblamblam
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To: orionblamblam
And *AMAZINGLY* neither are the vast majority of modern scientists. That anti-God conspiracy only exists in the fevered imaginations of those whose weak faith causes them to seek out opportunities to act the victim.

No, they were not until recently say the past century, getting worse as the century and indoctrination went on. The "fevered imaginations" do not have to have those imaginations taxed very hard when they come across fraud after fraud all in one field. Weakness of faith has nothing to do with it, just common sense. I do not need to be Christian to want a science field to work in provable facts.

If you think that they are seeking out opportunities to act the victim would be misreading the situation (quite obvious), I would say they are seeking to know the truth not fall for lies....but then this is the one "scientific" field that has seen the need to present so many lies where as the other fields work in facts.

When this field begins to work in provable facts not crack science and frauds, then it might be given the respect of the other scientific fields. Until then it deserves all the skepticism years of history and false claims and practical jokes have given it. So far this field of "science" has needed more faith to believe in it than Scientology.

80 posted on 02/21/2005 1:03:15 PM PST by Lady Heron
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