Posted on 02/18/2005 6:18:24 PM PST by Land_of_Lincoln_John
ET... I think there was a movie about that.
I've studied the Koran i think you need to go back and reread it.
You missed a few pages
Love is long suffering,
love is kind,
it is not jealous,
love does not boast,
it is not inflated.
It is not discourteous,
it is not selfish,
it is not irritable,
it does not enumerate the evil.
It does not rejoice over the wrong, but rejoices in the truth
It covers all things,
it has faith for all things,
it hopes in all things,
it endures in all things.
Love never falls in ruins;
but whether prophecies, they will be abolished; or
tongues, they will cease; or
knowledge, it will be superseded.
While the above is what the Bible's New testament speaks of the Love that Christ preached, Islam and Quran preaches to "kill infidels".
Quran and Islam are simply NO MATCH to the Love and Tolerance preached in New Testament.
1) The story of Muhammed marrying a six year old girl is not part of the Koran. It is part of the Hadith which is not accepted by all Muslims. Your example would be equivalent to saying that Jesus was a homosexual because of the excerpts from the Gospel of Mark that were found in the Qumran scrolls that talked about how Jesus resurrected Lazarus. Obviously this would be most offensive to Christians, just as your remarks are would be equally offensive to Muslims.
### I do not know if Jesus was a homosexual as you say. May be Christian Freepers are better suited to answer that. But Muhammad is definitely a Pedophile. Not only that, unlike Jesus who preached "Love thy neighbour", Muhammad's life is a prefect example of a Psycopath deviant of any morals. Hmmm, let us see what muhammad did.We must ask ourselves whether Muhammad lived by his own maxim. Muhammad was one of the biggest and most ruthless mass murderers of this world. He assassinated his opponents simply for criticizing him. Asma Bint Marwan was a poetess and a mother of five small children, Muhammad sent one to pierce her chest in the middle of the night only because she wrote a poem that Muhammad did not like. What about the victims of Bani Quraiza? He falsely accused them of conspiring against him. Then he laid siege on their quarter and cut the water to them. When they surrendered he separated the women and children from the men. And massacred all the men and sold their wives and children as slaves and sex slaves. To decide whether the boys should be killed or sold as slaves, he told them to show thier genitals. If they had pubic hair he included them among men and killed them and if they did not have pubic hair he included them among the slaves.
The tales of the crimes committed by Muhammad are endless and horrendous. Confucius said the greatness of a man is determined to the extent that he does what he says. Suppose Muhammad said killing is bad. Did he live by his own words? The most brute criminals also can say good things. You have to judge people by their deeds and not by their words. In this case even the words of Muhammad show he was a stupid man.
2) Drunk with the wine of pedophelia? Why do you resort to name calling and ad hominen attacks? Because you cannot argue without it? ANYWAY... back to the actual discussion... Jihad translates as struggle yes... however Jihad is not limited to warfare. It can be a personal struggle or any type of trial. Certain groups abuse the concept of Jihad as something that it is not meant to be - a massacre of innocent people. Mainstream Muslims also believe that anyone killing himself is a fool if he believes that he's going to end up with 72 virgins. ### Read my comments to Number 1) above. So killing infidels is not part of Jihad huh? Good one.
The Crusades were not about liberating the Holy Land. It was about conquest and plunder. The "noble" Christian armies sacked their Christian brethren in Constantinople on the way to the Holy Land. Yeah, nice guys they were. The Pope even OK-ed the knights to commit any type of heinous act: murder, rape, pillaging, etc... as long as it was "for God." Sound familiar? Sounds like the same type of drivel as you get from the fools who preach the 72 virgins non-sense.
As for the difference between Protestants and Catholics, please note: At the time there were only Christians those of the Eastern Rite (Orthodox) and those of the Western rite (Church of Rome). The Reformation didn't happen until later. Please remember that Catholics and Protestants still have the same God, they still believe in Jesus and have a large number of other similarities. ### Hey, Christians are not slitting people's throats now. Christians are not kidnapping people and killing Children like the one Islamic terrorists did in Beslan. Christians are not blowing up 3000 people using Air-Planes. In one of Saudi writer's own words, "Not all Muslims are terrorists, but unfortunately, majority of terrorists are all Muslim".
3) Having attended several "non-denominational Christian" churches I would say their view of women is not much different than that of Islam. Since Christ is the head of the Church and the Church must submit to Christ, so shall a woman submit to her husband who is the head of the household." Same guff, different group of people. ### Yea, I do not see anything wrong with that. Now compare submitting to husband to beating your wife as Islam preaches in 4th Sura of Quran. Is beating one's wife the same as asking to submit to her husband? Obviously not.
As for American girls being hot, that's a subjective opinion. Everyone has their own preferences. Personally I find Eastern European and Latin women to be more attractive than white Anglo-Saxon American girls. But whatever floats your boat :)
4) Jews have contributed a lot to modern science, medicine and the arts. I don't disagree, but so have a lot of other people. Italians (Catholics) have contributed greatly. The Greeks in ancient times. The first civilized people on the planet were the Egyptians and Sumerians. The gave the world the wheel, writing, etc... Arabs kept the tradition of learning alive while Europe was revelling in the Dark Ages. And believe it or not, the Moors actually protected Spanish Jews, whereas after the Moors were expelled from Spain, the good Christians set up the Inquisition and started the persecution again.
Let's think of what Christians have done... committed genocide against native populations of North and South America, are continually struggling against one another blowing things up (Irish Republican Army, Basque Separatists), supported foreign dictatorships (USA supports Egypt, Saudi Arabia, various times different Central and South American dictators, etc...) Let's not forget David Koresh and Timothy McVeigh. I dunno it seems pretty evenly split to me. ### Hey I did not forget those three guys. But lets not forget the crores of Islamic terrorists killing people in the name of their religion to establish an Islamic Earth.
5) You know you are absolutely right. Christian crusaders did not blow Muslims up. They used swords instead. (As if that makes it so much better.) Christian crusaders did slaughter the non-Christian people they conquered. ### Yea, they had to kill Arabs that occupied their holy lands. A simple example is the history of my own country. On every temple, Islamists destroyed, they have built a Mosque and claim that each of such Mosques are holy to them. So you guys think, in every country you step your feet, you think it is granted to you guys by Allah huh? Don;t forget I was a Muslim, so I am all too well familiar with all these shady islamic Taqiyyah.
The Muslim faith believes itself to be the final words from God. They believe that Abraham got us started down the right path. Moses did some pretty good interpreting of stuff. Jesus was right on the ball. But that Mohammed was the lucky guy to bring it all to together and make it all perfect. Essentially the Christian Holy Land is also their Holy Land. ### So now you claim the Christian holy land is also their holy land and tomorrow you will claim "don;t forget Muslims are born in America so America is Muslims' "
Infact, I think Muhammad is a false prophet as explained in the New Testament and Old Testaments. I do not think Muhammad was revealed truth. Do you want proof? There are several Suras I will be able to show you to convince you-hoping that you will think with some level of disinterested objectivity.
Miscellaneous comments:
Anyway, I think that basing arguments on religious grounds is pointless and no one should say anything bad about anyone else's religion because you don't know who's right. And by the time you do find out, you won't be around to tell us: You'll be dead anyway. And if there isn't anything after life anyway, then you would have foolishly wasted your life arguing with others about stuff that didn't matter anyway. Why not try to get along and live a decent, moral life and quit blaming others when you do/did the same things they do.
### I do not care for Christianity or Islam. I am glad I am not a Muslim anymore. I am not a Christian either. I am a Humanist. I believe in the beauty of Human life. One additional principle I believe in is the Christ's concept of Love and Indian concept of "Satyameva Jayate" aka "Truth will triumph".
Basically: Can't we all just get along? ### Yeap, we all can get along as long as Muslims stand up on this earth and fight against the Islamic Terrorists and bring them to Justice.
THis is wronhg abnd incorrect. Islam IS peace, and submission to the will of Allah (May His Name Be Praised). When the will is properly subjected to Allah, including the will to Jihad, all these things will come to pass. And Allah (May His Name Be Praised) Knows best.
So? Are not most terrorists Islamic?
The unfortunate twist Fox used portrayed the terrorists as typical neighbors. Awad said CAIR was concerned that the portrayal of the family as a terrorist “sleeper cell” would cast a shadow of suspicion over ordinary American Muslims and could increase Islamophobic stereotyping and bias.
Hello? Were not those fine fellows who killed thousands of my fellow Americans on 9/11 someone's next door neighbors?
CAIR met with representatives of the Fox network and expressed its concern that the TV program could enflame anti-Muslim sentiment. The officials were cognizant of CAIR’s concerns and, to Fox’s credit, agreed to broadcast a CAIR public service announcement to network affiliates to be aired during “24.”
This makes me sick and p*sses me off. All this kow-towing to Muslims. Fox should have said "Get a life, pal. This is America. We can make whatever kind of TV program we want. If you don't like it, get the hell out of my country."
Muslims won't have to kill us to take over. We'll just submit to their constant whining. It would be politically incorrect to stand up to them, wouldn't it? We wouldn't want to offend any of them, now would we? Oh, no! We'll just let the babies have their way. That is a very frightening thought to me. I hope and pray that doesn't happen.
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You Mods are awesome, working so hard. : )
Who says bloggers never own up to their mistakes!
I understand Islam just fine thank you. I hope my wife remembered to buy some of that Koran toilet paper I asked her to pick up yesterday. I really have to let loose a mooselimb.
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