Posted on 02/08/2005 3:50:43 AM PST by PatrickHenry
I don't know.
I don't want nonsense taught in schools as science.
I don't want the Gospel taught as creationism.
Those are two important issues. If you don't care about them one way or another, don't disparage those that do care.
How Christian of you to ridicule someone that tried to teach you some biology.
How about some facts refuting evolution instead of petulant scoffing?
One of the most difficult problems facing those who accept the naturalistic origin of life is that the odds are against the chance formation of even the most simple organic molecules. The hormone, vasopressin, is a simple protein— simple as far as proteins are concerned. Vasopressin produced in the pituitary gland, prevents the loss of too much water in the body by regulating the action of the kidneys. Further, it increases a person’s blood pressure.
Chemically, vasopressin is made up of eight amino acids. These are, in order along the molecule glycinamide, arginine proline cystine asparagines, glutamine, phenylalanine, and tyrosine. The order in which these amino acids occur is extremely critical to the proper functioning of the hormone Even a switch in position between two amino acids along the molecule will destroy the correct function.
If we were to place just these eight amino acids in a hat and draw them all out one by one, we could expect to get them in the same order as they are in vasopressin only 1 out of every 40,320 attempts The reason is simple. When you draw out the first amino acid, there are eight possibilities. For the second choice, there are seven amino acids in the hat so there are only seven possibilities etc. Thus, the number of possibilities for the “vasopressin type” of hormone is 8 x 7 x 6 x 5 x 4 x 3 x 2 x 1. This equals 40,320.
The number of possibilities increases dramatically as the protein molecule gets larger. Isaac Asimov* estimates that the 30 amino-acid-protein, insulin, has 8,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (eight octillion) different arrangements. He further estimates that the number of possible combinations for a 140 amino acid protein like hemoglobin is 135 followed by 165 zeroes. This is a larger number than all the atoms estimated in the universe.
Out of all these possibilities, the body can use only one arrangement. Asimov states, "Out of 40,320 possible vasopressin combinations, the body chooses just one out of eight octillion possible combinations; for one of the insulin polypeptides, the body chooses just one."
"The question is no longer where the body finds the variety it needs, but how it controls the possible variety and keeps it within bounds."**
*Isaac Asimov, The Genetic Code, New York: The New American Library, 1962, p. 92.
**lbid., p.93.
Are you saying that it is possible all life may not have a common ancestor?
$$ to doughnuts you wont say you agree with evolution ...
Evolution is not taught, people are indoctrinated to evolution.
A very quibbling point, but I don't think you need to (or should) distinguish solid facts from revisable scientific theories. In science facts are also revisable. The most basic fact is simply a well confirmed observation, and it's necessary to hold open the possibility that it may be disconfirmed by future observations, for example because of improved instruments or methods. For instance the number of human chromosomes was miscounted for years and this was corrected, I believe, by better stains and staining techniques.
I don't disparage you for caring, I disparage you for belittling people and being poumpous and arrogant in your defenses of your positions.
Three out of 50 is "so many"?
Good work debunking the bogus George Wald quote.
I don't want the Gospel taught as creationism.
The same Bible that gives us the Gospel also tells us that God created life. Next thing you will be telling us that God didn't make an ax head float or cause the sun to stand still.
Or raise His Son from the dead.
How many more?
Leviticus 11:10 But anything in the seas or rivers that does not have fins and scales, regard as an abomination. Do not eat their meat and regard their carcasses as an abomination.
Please go reread Evolution 101.
Science does not deal in "proof". Anyone that asks for proof is not a scientist....
That is absolute NONSENSE!
Are you saying that the mathematical proof needed in physics, engineering, quantitative chemistry, etc, etc.. is not science?
It's a hell of a lot more proof and true exact science than a bunch of conjectures, suppositions and strech of the imagination based on a few bones and some theory.
My facts have put a man on the moon, your "facts" for linking a whale and a hippo are "a similarity in DNA?"
You give me a link to a paper that repeatedly tells me that EVOLUTION IS A FACT and that anyone who doubts it is ignorant. BUT YOU DO NOT GIVE ME THE PROOF.
When I calculate something to be a pressure of 22.5psi. I can show you the math and the result is always 22.5psi, not 21 or not 23.
I was(politely)trying to tell you that you have not given me the proof that evolution is a fact. Repeating that some people believe that theory to be a fact does not make it so for me.
PMFJI. It's hard not to disparage people and be a bit pompus in these crevo threads. There are just so many creationists out there who spout the same tired stuff and refuse to acknowledge that they have been shown to be wrong time after time after time.
It gets a bit old after awhile.
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