Scientists find missing link between whale and its closest relative, the hippo

UC Berkeley News ^ | 24 January 2005 | Robert Sanders, Media Relations

[RobRoy]

"The conclusion by University of California, Berkeley, post-doctoral fellow Jean-Renaud Boisserie and his French colleagues finally puts to rest the long-standing notion that the hippo is actually related to the pig or to its close relative, the South American peccary."

That statement is a crock. And I don't even need to 'splain why.

[SubSailor]

Why didn't you provide him with the invalid links instead of repeatedly trying to convince everyone with your repeated posts that you were correct?

Read post #61, the first post that I posted on the subject. Notice the words inside the parantheses. (Evolution of immune reactions, et al) This was an example of one of the links. So, I did provide him with an invalid link. Another example of inadequate research on your part.

[WildTurkey]

Be honest. Here is the message which gives you a redirect to the search engine and then to the article. Note that the message indicates it may be the fault on their server.

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[VadeRetro]

Notice the tree. They don't really have a common ancestor, both animals are shown in the branches.

Follow your own advice and notice the tree. They have a common ancestor near the base of the artiodactyls.

You keep forcing people to decide if you're an idiot or a liar. You can even confuse ME on this, but doing so doesn't help your credibility.

Note that you wouldn't have to do this if all the evidence weren't against what you have decided must be true. If there were a shred of evidence or logic to support you, you could do a much better job of appearing reasonable.

[houeto]

And, as for "thinking outside the box," as long as the evidence supports a theory, other researchers will give it a fair shake in the peer-review process.

Nikola Tesla invented the AC motor and transformer, 3-phase electricity and the Tesla Coil. Tesla is now credited with inventing modern radio as well; the Supreme Court overturned Marconi's patent in 1943 in favor of Tesla. Ten years after patenting a successful method for producing alternating current, Nikola Tesla claimed the invention of an electrical generator that would not "consume any fuel." This invention has ben lost to the public. "I have harnessed the cosmic rays and caused them to operate a motive device." - Tesla.

Tesla's evidence supported his theory. He actually proved it in experiment. Big money would have none of this crap of 'free energy' for the public. He was ridiculed and shunned and died in misery.

[shubi]

"Aside from the advances that we've made, man is the only creature that has a God conscience or religious nature."

Where is the conscience of creationists when they attack evolution with no facts? Where is their conscience when they offer no science to refute evolution, yet claim their view superior?

Where is the conscience of creationists when they alter scientists quotes?

Where is the conscience of creationists when they preach cultish heresy and conflate the Gospel and Genesis as needed for salvation?

I wouldn't put much stock in the conscience idea if I were you.

[WildTurkey]

Sorry. I missed that since you placed it with "ideas" instead of the proper place with "links". That's whats happens when you throw big BWAAA HAAA HAAA HAAAA! into your post. That is why you probably missed it in your proofreading.

[MissAmericanPie]

That's okay, I wasn't reeealy sorry.;o)

[WildTurkey]

Where is the conscience of creationists when they alter scientists quotes?

Probably the same place it is when they alter our posts. Had another creationist excuse bearing false witness because he was a soldier of God.

[WildTurkey]

It gets worse all the time. And to imagine they let these guys own computers ...

"Tesla's evidence supported his theory. He actually proved it in experiment. Big money would have none of this crap of 'free energy' for the public. He was ridiculed and shunned and died in misery."

[shubi]

God will court martial that soldier. ;-)

[Modernman]

Tesla's evidence supported his theory. He actually proved it in experiment. Big money would have none of this crap of 'free energy' for the public. He was ridiculed and shunned and died in misery.

Tesla lived a life of ease and relative luxury from the proceeds of his various patents. He spent his last years living in a NYC luxury hotel and spending his time going to parties and charity events in that city. He was not shunned nor did he die in misery.

[Junior]

He was not "ridiculed and shunned" and did not "die in misery." He did make some financial errors and had to sell off many of his assets (including patents) to make ends meet, but he was such an influence that, at his death, the U.S. government confiscated all his research and classified it "most secret."

You know, a simple search of Wikipedia would have helped.

[Alacarte]

You would concede though, would you not, that there are things demonstrated in this world that cannot be explained by modern science?

Yes, but your implication that these unexplained phenomena do not have natural explanations is baseless. God of the gaps arguments are ridiculous. You cannot just claim that everything science currently does not explain, was created by magic. This has been done consistently for hundreds of years by the church, and has been consistently smacked down by science. From a flat earth to geocentricism to natural disasters to disease to the diversity of life on earth, god of the gaps arguments are the last resort of people with no real evidence.

[WildTurkey]

but he was such an influence that, at his death, the U.S. government confiscated all his research and classified it "most secret."

That was what houeto meant. The government confiscated his free-energy machine because of Bush's family ties to big oil.

[Junior]

Considering he shuffled off this (Tesla) coil in 1943, the government must've used one of his inventions to divine the future...

[SubSailor]

Okay, I admit it was my intent to ruffle some feathers. So, I too was guilty of being antagonistic. However, there was a point. I really think we all should just stop arguing once in awhile and look at our motivations for arguing. I mean, really, why does it matter so much to either side whether or not evolution is fact or unproven theory? Why get so upset about it?

[WildTurkey]

To jump you ahead, houeto said science could not explain why the moon did not rotate. He was quickly informed that it did rotate once per revolution and he then said that was statistically improbable .... now he is onto the Tesla free-energy machine that the government or someone would have no part of since we could not allow the public to have free energy.

[WildTurkey]

Okay, I admit it was my intent to ruffle some feathers. So, I too was guilty of being antagonistic. However, there was a point. I really think we all should just stop arguing once in awhile and look at our motivations for arguing. I mean, really, why does it matter so much to either side whether or not evolution is fact or unproven theory? Why get so upset about it?

Who's upset?

[DannyTN]

"They have a common ancestor near the base of the artiodactyls.

Where? I don't see any pictures or drawings where the two branches meet?

Perhaps it's one of the following artiodactyls? Maybe it's the pig? or the Mouse deer?

• Suborder Suiformes
  • Family Suidae - swine (pigs, hogs)
  • Family Tayassuidae - peccaries (javelina)
  • Family Hippopotamidae - hippopotamus, pygmy hippopotamus
• Suborder Tylopoda
  • Family Camelidae - camels, llamas, alpacas
• Suborder Ruminantia (ruminants - having a 3- or 4-part stomach)
  • Family Tragulidae - chevrotains (mouse deer)
  • Family Giraffidae - giraffe, okapi
  • Family Cervidae - deer, including musk deer, moose, muntjacs, brockets, roe deer, pudu, caribou, elk, etc.
  • Family Antilocapridae - pronghorn
  • Family Bovidae - antelope, cattle, goats, sheep