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Scientists find missing link between whale and its closest relative, the hippo
UC Berkeley News ^ | 24 January 2005 | Robert Sanders, Media Relations

Posted on 02/08/2005 3:50:43 AM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: RightWhale
It's just one of several competing lines of inquiry. It seems easier to visualize at first, but if followed far enough it puts knots in the mind just like the other approaches.

It puts no knots in my mind.

1,501 posted on 02/10/2005 10:49:13 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: King Prout

not bloody likely is an understatement, it would never just happen.


1,502 posted on 02/10/2005 10:49:41 AM PST by HankReardon
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To: Dawsonville_Doc

it has gotten a bit goofy the last 100 replies or so.


1,503 posted on 02/10/2005 10:49:48 AM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: RaceBannon

Race, he was obviously talking about the Old Testament.


1,504 posted on 02/10/2005 10:50:33 AM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: WildTurkey

I'm not sure, I don't think I said it was a problem that people thought too much. I may have, I would be wrong if I worded it that way. My intent was to say that some people over think some things.


1,505 posted on 02/10/2005 10:51:43 AM PST by HankReardon
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To: HankReardon

"never" is a BIG concept, and AFAIK impossible to demonstrate.

avoid absolute statements and stick to what you can demonstrate, and you'll be at least slightly scientifically credible.

otherwise... you stray into superstition.


1,506 posted on 02/10/2005 10:52:13 AM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: RightWhale

and a book-case right next to the desk...and another book-case...and another...

my personal library made moving a real PITA


1,507 posted on 02/10/2005 10:54:18 AM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: shubi
humans were almost a zero growth

That signals the evolution of a higher form of organization, a new Mandelbrot scale.

1,508 posted on 02/10/2005 10:54:42 AM PST by RightWhale (Please correct if cosmic balance requires.)
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To: RightWhale

?


1,509 posted on 02/10/2005 10:55:39 AM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: MHalblaub
Tell me one apparently fatal flaw.

The classic example is that the bacterial flagellum could not have evolved.

Now, there are those who say this has been rebutted after an article by Sharon Begley based on claims by Kenneth Miller appeared, ironically, in the WSJ that the pump part of the flagellum shares 10 proteins with the secretory system of some bacteria. So what about the 30 protens unique to it? Then according to gene squencing, the flagellum motor came before the pump which would mean that the pump (and secretory system) evolved from the motor.

Anyway, Miller -- with Professor John McDonald -- is noted for proving how a mousetrap (mousetrap made in factory, invented by man) could have evolved.

And that's what the debate has come down to.

1,510 posted on 02/10/2005 10:56:25 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: King Prout

yes not NEVER, but "damn well bloody unlikely to the millionth degree". How's that? Could that be ALWAYS right to say? Would EVERYONE agree with that? Or would NO ONE?

Is the a list words I need to see for when I became concerned about straying into superstition? Did you mean to say "straying into supossition"?


1,511 posted on 02/10/2005 10:57:20 AM PST by HankReardon
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To: HankReardon
My intent was to say that some people over think some things.

Straying into Lacanian paranoiac classification groups. Don't let the cinema film stop.

1,512 posted on 02/10/2005 10:57:49 AM PST by RightWhale (Please correct if cosmic balance requires.)
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To: ericthecurdog
For those who don't know the reference: Tsar Bomba
1,513 posted on 02/10/2005 10:58:15 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: King Prout

Now, if the creationists will try to understand, THIS FINDING DOES NOT REFUTE EVOLUTION!

If more evidence occurs to substantiate this finding, the hypothesis that mitochondrial DNA is inherited ONLY through the mother will be descarded.

This contrasts to Noah's Ark which has been shown to be nonsense, yet is never discarded by the literalist cults.


1,514 posted on 02/10/2005 10:58:15 AM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: RightWhale

okay, if you have something to say, just say it.


1,515 posted on 02/10/2005 10:59:29 AM PST by HankReardon
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To: WildTurkey
Perhaps all the Chinese paper became damp and unusable.

Remember, they did not have an Ark. They had an Alk.
1,516 posted on 02/10/2005 11:01:41 AM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: shubi
If it was peer reviewed under SOP, no one would be objecting to the publishing of the article.

A. It appears to have been peer reviewed under SOP

B. Credentialed people are objecting

Now, isn't safe to conclude that these credentialed people are emotionally reacting to a challenge to deeply held beliefs?

1,517 posted on 02/10/2005 11:02:32 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: HankReardon

I stated and meant: superstition

belief in result without mechanism, belief in that which cannot be demonstrated

it is generally unwise to use absolute descriptors, and seldom required.


1,518 posted on 02/10/2005 11:02:49 AM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: shubi
This contrasts to Noah's Ark which has been shown to be nonsense, yet is never discarded by the literalist cults.

If they admitted that it was not, they would lose their reseach funding ...

1,519 posted on 02/10/2005 11:03:33 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: shubi

Okay, this has been fun but has grown kinda tiresome. Think I'll go to a North Korea thread, big news out of them today. Or I may finish Gingrich's latest book. A good read, I recomend it to all. Thanks one and all, for all your thought provoking posts. One parting thought, because a person is hesitant to swallow the evolution theory whole hog does not make him a whacko.


1,520 posted on 02/10/2005 11:05:02 AM PST by HankReardon
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