Scientists find missing link between whale and its closest relative, the hippo

UC Berkeley News ^ | 24 January 2005 | Robert Sanders, Media Relations

[JeffAtlanta]

Back to the salmon, did the salmon ALWAYS swim upstream to spawn?

I know we've sort of joked around with your question, but it is kind of hard to tell if you are asking it seriously or not.

I'll pose a serious question that I don't know the answer to and let's see what we get...

How did birds that migrate transatlantic ever get to that point? Did they first island hop or are there even many islands to hop on the migration paths? I can easily understand birds that migrate north south just searching for warmer or colder weather.

[WildTurkey]

Yeah, thinking is not a common well-developed skill. FR is evolving in that direction, even if not in a continuous straight line. We might see some of Mandelbrot's theory of crowd behavior in action here on FR.

The problem is, some do not belive in evolving evolution. However, evolutionary theory predicts that the population has to evolve under enviornmental pressures.

[shubi]

http://www.asa3.org/ASA/resources/Wiens.html

This is by a Christian geologist. It has all the half-lives of the various elements used in dating.

[HankReardon]

The answer to your question is that the migratory birds ALWAYS migrated along their migratory routes for as long a time as there have been migratory birds. No island hopping, full fledged migration.

[King Prout]

thanks.

[shubi]

I think you are missing the point.

There is no Ark.

God exists.

[WildTurkey]

How did birds that migrate transatlantic ever get to that point?

TransAtlantic?

[HankReardon]

They were designed to migrate, so that's what they do.

[malakhi]

Logic says that since we can cross the room in a number of measured steps that their is something logically flawed with your statement.

Agreed. In fact, the same logical flaw in Hank's argument about the salmon.

[MHalblaub]

I think I found the original paper.

Marianne Schwartz and John Vissing, "Paternal Inheritance of Mitochondrial DNA", New England Journal of Medicine, Aug 22, 2002; 347:576-580

http://www.life.uiuc.edu/csb/213/PDF/mitochondria.pdf

[WildTurkey]

The answer to your question is that the migratory birds ALWAYS migrated along their migratory routes for as long a time as there have been migratory birds. No island hopping, full fledged migration.

I thought they learned trans-ocean migration during the "flood"?

[Doctor Stochastic]

What was the moon before it was our moon?

The Pacific Ocean Bottom?

[shubi]

I think you think completely backwards.

LOL

[SubSailor]

If there is a difference, then yes, I'd like to hear it, and your justification for it.

I think I need to explain my question further. Am I to make my judgement armed with my life's aquired knowledge and experience? Or, am I to try to limit my thinking by the parameters set forth? That is, parameters such as the time limits and "no memory of any life prior to that" and "You remember no particulars of your life prior to awakening"?

[HankReardon]

No Noah's Ark? I find the subject very interesting, would like to discuss it on an appropriate thread. And Yes, God does exist, the evidence is abundantly all around us, now, in the past and will be in the future.

[JeffAtlanta]

TransAtlantic?

I'm not a bird guy at all, but I thought that there were some birds that migrated transatlantic - I did a quick check on google and there do seem to be some banded birds that have made the trip.

[Alacarte]

Actually, if you read closer, those two ideas are not contradictory. One is about accepting supernatural explanations, and the other is about believing in the supernatural. One can hold the view that the supernatural exists without believing it to be the cause of any phenomenon.

Couldn't have said it better myself, thanks Junior.

[WildTurkey]

They were designed to migrate, so that's what they do.

And homosexuals were designed to, uh, you know?

[shubi]

"like 2 and 3rd cousins marrying they have the same gg-ggg-grandfather. But still."

Are you from Tennessee? ;-)

[HankReardon]

Thanks for your thoughtful reply to my question. I believe though, the salmon ALWAYS swam upstream to span, as long as their have been salmons..