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Scientists find missing link between whale and its closest relative, the hippo
UC Berkeley News ^ | 24 January 2005 | Robert Sanders, Media Relations

Posted on 02/08/2005 3:50:43 AM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: Liberal Classic

WOW! 9 syllable words again. Can you say the same thing so that someone who has not spent years studying this can begin to understand this? Basic English.


1,381 posted on 02/10/2005 9:05:38 AM PST by HankReardon
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To: HankReardon
Always back to the Bible. Others have been basing their anti-evolution beliefs on the Biblical teachings, I have not. I do not discount the Bible at all though.

Please. The post was demeaning another culture for once stating that elephants supported the earth. I just raised the issue (through implication) that the poster should not cast stones since the Bible said the earth rested on pillars.

1,382 posted on 02/10/2005 9:11:02 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: HankReardon; Ichneumon
WOW! Anyone read all that? Honestly, anyone?

I did. I didn't follow all the links, but I did read the meat of the post. If more people did that, we'd have a whole lot less anti-evolutists running around.

I used to be on the anti-evolutist side of the argument a few years ago. I just felt that what I had been taught about the bible had to be true so it made me just ignore evidence. It didn't help that credible sounding creationists were writing books and lesson plans which provided "scientific" reasons why evolution was such a fraud. I still see those exact same "scientific objections" on these threads (the flood explains rock layers and fossils, piltdown man was a fraud so all pre-human fossils are, etc).

It also didn't help matters that most of the evolutionists acted like smug asses in their message board posts. Later I realized that they got the same tired "scientific proofs against evolution" posts everyday so in retrospect, I can understand their frustration. They were also told everyday by the anti-evolutionists that they were going to hell for their beliefs.

Anyway, if someone had put forth the evidence the way that Ichneumon has, I would have gotten out of the creationist cult a lot sooner. These threads are useful for exactly that reason - the anti-evolutionist champions may never open their eyes to reason, but hopefully a lot of lurkers will.

1,383 posted on 02/10/2005 9:11:40 AM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: King Prout

Actually it's a coupla years old. And I think it was suspected before that.


1,384 posted on 02/10/2005 9:11:42 AM PST by From many - one. (formerly e p1uribus unum)
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To: WildTurkey

I thought the Bible stated that the earth was a sphere suspended in the ether.


1,385 posted on 02/10/2005 9:12:27 AM PST by HankReardon
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To: WildTurkey
I'd rather use vertebrate animals - invertebrate development is different from ours from the first few mitotic divisions of the zygote. I'd rather NOT do (or by my taxes fund the doing of) the research, only to have 'thumpers come around and say "Oh, well, that applies to BUGZZZ, but it has no relevance to higher creatures..."

you know damned well that's what they'd do.

1,386 posted on 02/10/2005 9:14:54 AM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: HankReardon

Given that P(t) = P(0)e^(kt) then the doubling time can be determined by:

P(t)/P(0) = 2 = e^(kt)

ln(2) = kt

t = ln(2)/k, or k = ln(2)/t


1,387 posted on 02/10/2005 9:15:31 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: HankReardon

Hank, I used no words with nine syllables. The word with the most syllables I did use was "exponentially," which has five syllables. This is only one more syllable than the longest word you used: "mathematics."

Exponential growth uses algebra and logarithms, both of which are taught at a high-school level. It is the same formula as continuously compounding interest.


1,388 posted on 02/10/2005 9:15:37 AM PST by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: From many - one.

never heard of it before, and it was momentarily quite a shock.

read on: I've gotten over it ;)


1,389 posted on 02/10/2005 9:16:09 AM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: King Prout

Chinchillas? We could sell them to the HS students and make a fortune!


1,390 posted on 02/10/2005 9:17:09 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: JeffAtlanta

What did an 8 eyed spider used to be before it was the marvel of creation that it is today? What did the bald eagle used to be, did it not always soar? Did the bird kinda sing, learn one note at a time? Did the salmon just kinda go upstream to spawn at first,? Did the wolf howl just a little bit at first?


1,391 posted on 02/10/2005 9:18:34 AM PST by HankReardon
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To: WildTurkey

hrmn... self-funded and long-range profitable study... hrmn!

I like it.


1,392 posted on 02/10/2005 9:18:58 AM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: King Prout

A beautiful redtail hawk just flew past my back yard, it is programmed by the creator to know what do, instinct. Hawks were always hawks. If the creation of a hawk was just something that accidently happened, purposely make it happen.


1,393 posted on 02/10/2005 9:23:07 AM PST by HankReardon
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To: HankReardon

you are aware that not all spiders are eight-eyed, yes?
the cladogram of the development of flight has been posted already,did you not see it?
capacity for vocalization pre-existed the development of aviforms, you realize?
you do know that not all birds sing, correct?
many animals other than Canids are capable of howling - humans included - you realize?

Your questions are poor cousins of sophistry.
Please knock it off: Such business does enormous harm to the reputation of the religious, and (more importantly IMO) to social and political conservatism.


1,394 posted on 02/10/2005 9:24:51 AM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: King Prout

I tried rabbits when I was a kid. Very good at raising them but the Easter sales were a bust! Oh, well, I was only 9.

But I had to get rid of them but the next door neighbor had three daughters who had come to love the rabbits and would not bear to have them subject to an "uncertain" future so their dad hauled all the rabbits and pens to his yard.

A couple of days later, they awoke and "someone had stolen" all the rabbits and cages. The girls were sad and the dad didn't even give me a cut of his profits ...


1,395 posted on 02/10/2005 9:25:46 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: HankReardon

All of these questions imply inferiority in the life of the past. This is not so. The ancestors of the arachnids and mammals we see today were equally marvelous.


1,396 posted on 02/10/2005 9:26:12 AM PST by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: HankReardon

given the resources and the time, it would be possible to create an exact analogue of a red-tailed hawk in a lab environment in far less time than it took by natural processes.

gimme the resources and the time, if you can, or drop that kind of ass-headed sophistry-for-morons challenge.

note to the wise: you do not have the capacity to give me the resources and the time required.


1,397 posted on 02/10/2005 9:27:46 AM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: WildTurkey

heh!


1,398 posted on 02/10/2005 9:29:16 AM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: King Prout

Saying it can be done and be able to do it are miles apart.

Seriously, life can susposedly happen accidently by chance, arrogant man cannot purposely make it happen.


1,399 posted on 02/10/2005 9:40:17 AM PST by HankReardon
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To: King Prout

Was there once a time when the ancestor of the salmon only swam halfway upstream?


1,400 posted on 02/10/2005 9:44:10 AM PST by HankReardon
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