Freemasonry's Influence in Europe

Zenit.org ^ | January 30, 2005 | Zenit

[ninenot]

Not surprisingly, you splatter your anti-Catholic remarks quickly.

Even more surprising that an anti-American like D'Estaing gets your implicit approval. Or maybe that's NOT a surprise.

[Earthdweller]

Let ye without sin cast the first bible brick.

[ninenot]

The Masons date back to Solomon in the Bible

Of course.

You can offer definitive documentation, too--not just a repeated assertion, eh?

BTW, your approval of Intelligent Design fits right into the 'watchmaker' theology of the Masons--except, of course, He is not only a Watchmaker, but immanent in history.

[ninenot]

Ah, yes--ignorance. Unable to come up with rational argument, the "ignorance" card is played. Why not "racist?"

[norton]

"he is asked "WHAT DO YOU SEEK?" Well, HE doesn't know and the prompt of course is light. Well, we both know, don't we that the light they're talking about AIN'T the light of JESUS CHRIST, don't we? What does Luicifer mean, btw? Bringer of the LIGHT, hey?
One thing is for sure, Quix, I poked the DEVIL and he is responding. Pray for me brother.

We agree on one thing and only one thing:
You DO need prayer!

[ninenot]

Father of Lies, who's pretty good at his job.

You said a mouthful.

But as I indicated to an earlier poster, the conclusive documentary evidence of the King Solomon connection would be appreciated.

[Servant of the 9]

The creator of the EU constitution was a freemason? That's all I want to know about that wretched cult.

The creators of our Constitution (Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Franklin) were Freemasons.

So9

[ninenot]

IF you did, you wouldn't be Catholic

Yup. Only Catholics are ignorant--unlike the Illuminati/Masons, who are Exceedingly Intelligent and Understand All Things.

[Servant of the 9]

Not surprisingly, you splatter your anti-Catholic remarks quickly.

Even more surprising that an anti-American like D'Estaing gets your implicit approval. Or maybe that's NOT a surprise.

The creators of our Constitution (Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Franklin) were Freemasons.

You spatter your anti-American drivel pretty freely.

Maybe you wqould be happier in a First Class Catholic Country, like Mexico or France.

So9

[ninenot]

Generally speaking, the Masons I know are fine people. They just happen to be in the wrong religion--anti-Christian and even more anti-Catholic, at its root.

They are likeable but wrong, like millions of others here on Earth.

[ninenot]

Generally speaking, the Masons I know are fine people. They just happen to be in the wrong religion--anti-Christian and even more anti-Catholic, at its root.

They are likeable but wrong, like millions of others here on Earth.

[augggh]

The people who designed and laid out the government buildings in D.C.,were,you guessed it....... MASONS!

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to point this out!

There's a really interesting book that recently came out called "The Secret Architecture of the Nations Capital" (or something like that) that details how nearly every major building in DC was erected according to astrological calculations, to fit Masonic ritual.

[uglybiker]

They just happen to be in the wrong religion--anti-Christian and even more anti-Catholic, at its root.

Exactly how is it anti-Catholic?

[shellshocked]

"The Freemasons: History of the Most Powerful Secret Society"


hehe. I always love that statement. If they are so "secret", why do they label their buildings and drive their cars marked with special license plates and bumber sticker?

[Colosis]

..."seven of the Founding Fathers were Masons, several of these later renounced the craft."

Guess some finally saw the light.

[murphE]

Soldiers for Christ ping.

[saradippity]

You might be interested in this thread from last night and this morning,if you haven't already seen it.

[PresbyRev]

You impugn good men who honor God.

Every Shrine meeting I have been to, including initiation, has had prayer made in the name of Jesus Christ.

Muslims hate Freemasonry (as do all who defend tyranny whether in religion or the state). In fact, Islamists bombed a Masonic Lodge in Turkey not too long ago. Muslims hate the Shriners and believe it is a mockery of their religion.

Orthodox Christians - Protestant and Catholic, mainline and fundamentalist, etc. have had adherents who have been and are now Masons.

I am sorry you chose to buy into the conspiracy theories and poor theology of anti-Masons, but you must follow the dictates of your own conscience. By your own admission you were in a spiritually confused condition when you joined the Lodge and were 'running from God.' How could you have made solemn vows before and confessed faith and belief in God when by your own admission you were fleeing His presence? From your own testimony, it does sound like you were in a conflicted and confused spiritual condition which no doubt contributed to your later dramatic decisions.

Friend, I speak from my own experience as you do from yours - I have read widely in Masonic as well as anti-Masonic literature. I am a Freemason. I am a Shriner.I understand what orthodox Christian theology is and is not. I reject Islam as a false religion and Mohammed as a false prophet. I would not take an oath that bound me to anything Islamic, nor participate in activities that promote Islam. Again - Islamists hate Freemasonry and they hate the Shrine. Doesn't that tell you something? There is NOTHING in Freemasonry or the Shrine that conflicts with the Christian confession. To care for widows and orphans and those in distress is the very definition of real and acceptable religion before God. Freemasonry supports all that the Church teaches are the duties of the confessing disciple of Jesus Christ.

From the website http://www.masonicinfo.com --

Some religious intolerants, in attempting to show even more 'evils of Freemasonry', point to the red fez worn by North American Masons who are members of the Shrine. Because of their choice of headgear, Shriners are supposedly 'worshipping Satan'.

Where does this charge originate? Anti-Masons have fabricated a story that in the 8th century, Muslim hoards overran the city of Fez in Morocco and butchered 50,000 Christians - and that the streets ran red with blood. The claim further states that the murderers dipped their caps in the blood to honor Allah and that the blood-stained caps were called 'fezzes' and became idols dedicated to Satan.

The facts, however, are far different - and come from four different perspectives:

The Shrine was founded in 1872 in New York City. It arose from a luncheon group which included a physician and an actor and from which a huge, philanthropic group grew. The history of the Shrine became somewhat clouded in its early years as some attempted to ascribe actual connections of the organization to places such as Mecca and elsewhere in the Middle East while others recognized it much as it was: an organization founded for the purpose of 'having fun' which adopted fanciful theatrics from a little-known part of the world. (1) With a name such as "Ancient Arabic Order Nobles of the Mystic Shrine" as well as some past controversy about origin and a history of 'fun' which in some cases perhaps bordered on rowdiness, the Shrine is in a unique position for charges which would present it in an evil light.

Historically, there is no basis in fact for the charge. The city of Fez was founded by an invader, Sultan Idris I. Idris, who won a war against resident pagans at the very end of the eighth century. All of the conquered were converted to Islam and if there were any Christians, history does not record this. The cap itself wasn't begun until after the second sultan, Idris II, expanded the town to the other side of the river as he attempted to encourage local craft industries. It is important to remember that the dyes of that time were not particularly bright colors but the Moroccans had several good dyes whose formulas were secret. One of these was a bright red and was used in the manufacture of that brilliant red cap which was named after the city of its manufacture, Fez.

Blood, particularly in the hot Middle East, dries particularly fast. The concept of 'running blood' almost defies imagination. Further, any material (particularly the felt type of material used in the fez) when dripped in blood would turn a deep, dark color of red bordering on the brown. With the prevalence of flies and other insects, does it make sense that anyone would dip a piece of headgear so essential to protect oneself from the elements into a fluid which would subject them to all sorts of pestilence - and ruin a piece of clothing vitally necessary? The simple facts obviate the foolishness of this story.

The jealousy surrounding the wonderful Shriners' charities lead some to revel in the opportunity to present those who perform such good works in an evil light. Rather than build something up, they attempt to make themselves look large by diminishing others.

Many love to repeat again and again this horrid claim. We've yet to see any of them produce proof of their charge. The claims about the fez are simply more lies in the arsenal of the anti-Mason.

Shrine-Masons wear their fez proudly knowing that it represents a century of good works and fun.""

Masonic Information
http://www.masonicinfo.com
Anti-Masonry
http://www.msana.com/micanti.htm
Anti-Masonry Refuted
http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/index.htm

[PresbyRev]

Every year in Church services at Advent Christians wait in expectation of the birth of Christ. We speak of waiting for the light to come.

On Maundy Thursday of Holy Week, the lights in the Church are extinguished. The light has gone out.

Do we believe that the light of God has not yet come at Advent and we are awaiting the first coming of God's light in Jesus Christ?

As Christians do we believe as we declare we are in darkness and are waiting God's light that we have not already been inwardly illumined by the Spirit and are not already and in fact children of the light?

Do we believe that Christ has again been literally crucified and the 'light gone out' on Maundy Thursday?

You seem awfully confused as to the use of dramatic representations and metaphorical language.

*Modern anti-masons ""revealing"" "secrets" is not earth-shattering enough to be ROTFLYAO. It has been done since the 1600's and is old and tired. Anti-masons never seem to tire in printing up their newest expose to sell to the gullible.