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Republicans Squaring Off Over Bush Plan on Immigration
NY Times ^ | January 27, 2005 | DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK

Posted on 01/27/2005 7:15:50 PM PST by neverdem

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To: Once-Ler
We know that freedom is the gift of God to all mankind, and we rejoice when others can share it.

Right! I have some ideas to help Latin Americans achieve freedom, prosperity, and a decent life in their own countries. Too bad I can't post it on a public message board. Just think "Spirit of '76' ".

Imo, Homeland Security can't organize a powderpuff football game. We are at war. Our borders need to be sealed to prevent terrorists from entering this country. If it cramps someone's style, too damn bad. You know, there are people here on this board who assume that just because we're against sheltering lawbreakers, we are prejudiced against Latinos. This is most certainly not the case. We cannot absorb any more people, especially ones we know nothing about. There are plenty of Americans available to do the jobs that illegal immigrants are taking.

We have human beings roasted to death in abandoned cargo containers. America once again has slavery...thanks to rampant illegal immigration, and the criminals who control it. This has to stop.

Let them take back their own countries. If and when that happens, I know I'll be cheering them on. There is no reason why they can't have their own America. Since He was mentioned, God helps those who helps themselves.

I still feel that there is something going on that Bush isn't telling us. Imo, Fox and his government cannot be trusted.

401 posted on 01/29/2005 8:26:03 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl
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To: TheSpottedOwl

Excellent post.


402 posted on 01/29/2005 8:42:56 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Let them take back their own countries. If and when that happens, I know I'll be cheering them on. There is no reason why they can't have their own America.

Yep. He says "family values don't stop at the Rio Grande." Right. So lets support the overthrow of Mexican corruption, and the esablishment of an honest political tradition in Mexico. They will benefit far more than an amnesty program here.

403 posted on 01/29/2005 8:45:37 AM PST by ovrtaxt (Go Howard Go!)
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To: al_again
I'd bet that the price of gov't services could be reduced by 1/3 without the end customer noticing a bit of difference in the service! Wasteful inefficient gov't bureaucracy is the BIGGEST problem,!:

It could probably be reduced even more than that. But just think how many billions could be saved in education, medical, incarceration and other costs illegal aliens are inflicting on our society. I'd say they're both huge problems.

404 posted on 01/29/2005 8:46:50 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

Thank you.


405 posted on 01/29/2005 8:51:48 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl
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To: TheSpottedOwl

You're welcome, and I look forward to his excuses... er response.


406 posted on 01/29/2005 8:57:38 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: investigateworld; montag813; All

Aired 1/28/05 LOU DOBBS CNN

DOBBS: Later here, Senator Dianne Feinstein will join me. She's proposed new legislation intended to hold the federal government responsible for the immigration crisis in this country -- at least part of it. Senator Feinstein will be our guest.

Some states in this country are allowing illegal aliens now to use a government identification number to obtain driver's licenses, voter identification cards and even home loans. These identification cards were created for use only by the Internal Revenue Service. Now some states are using those cards as a way to grant illegal aliens the benefits of U.S. citizenship.

CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Here in Milwaukee, Mitchell Bank is one of several Wisconsin banks where illegal aliens can get mortgages.

All it takes is an individual taxpayer identification number, an ITIN, given out by the Internal Revenue Service. That number is meant to collect income taxes from people without Social Security numbers.

But Wisconsin's Housing Authority is going a step further, letting illegal aliens use the number to get a mortgage. They say they're just serving a growing market.

ROMANS: Critics say the program rewards law breakers.

GLENN GROTHMAN, WISCONSIN STATE SENATE: It just makes a mockery of our laws, and it is an insult not only to American citizens, but it's an insult to the employees of our immigration service, and it's an insult to anybody who appears foolishly to try to wait patiently in line to come into this country legally.

ROMANS: The program is recognized by the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago who says most banks understand that illegal aliens are in a "peculiar position." Still, the IRS position is clear. The ITIN is to be used for tax purposes only. The IRS has issued at least seven million ITIN numbers since 1996. It was so nervous about abuse of the numbers, it's warned governors and state motor vehicle departments that ITINs were not designed to serve as personal identification and should not be used for driver's licenses.

Still, across this country, illegal aliens are using these cards, and at least five states are accepting them.

DOBBS: I'm all but speechless. The moronic posturing by people on this immigration crisis is just -- it's stunning. The mentality. I mean, how do you explain people sitting there in the Housing Authority basically postulating as if they were holding forth for a national policy and just ignoring a set of rules and laws and regulations that have been on the books for years.

ROMANS: Well, Lou, the press officer for WHEDA, the Wisconsin Housing Authority, told me he's as illegal as illegal aliens because when he was 7, he stole with his brother a candy bar. He broke a law. He's illegal. That's equivalent to this. He thinks that it's a reality, that there are 10 million illegal aliens in this country. It's a market that needs to be served.

DOBBS: And that's the kind of mentality that we're dealing with. Hard-working people in this country, many of them immigrants -- legal immigrants -- having to deal with this, and a government that is just seeing fit at the state and federal level to ignore the law and the wellbeing of the country.

That brings us to the subject of our poll tonight. The question is: Do you believe state governments should allow illegal aliens to use a government identification number to obtain rights intended for U.S. citizens? Yes or no. Cast your vote at loudobbs.com. We wouldn't blame you if you added a few comments in point of fact with that vote.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0501/28/ldt.01.html
Aired 1/28/05
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Do you believe state governments should allow illegal aliens to use a federal identification number to obtain rights intended for U.S. citizens?

Yes 7% 320 votes

No 93% 4485 votes

Total: 4805 votes
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/


407 posted on 01/29/2005 8:59:51 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest; TheSpottedOwl

See post 407.


408 posted on 01/29/2005 9:10:38 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: JustAnotherSavage

Lou Dobbs is the man. And I see he's having an effect because his name is now being mentioned more frequently by the open border apologists.


409 posted on 01/29/2005 9:19:25 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: ohiocreek

Well said fellow Buckeye.


410 posted on 01/29/2005 9:23:21 AM PST by american spirit
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To: wardaddy

LOL - my bad :)


411 posted on 01/29/2005 10:13:13 AM PST by al_again
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To: budwiesest
I think McCain falls under "I can bring home the bacon" much like daschle once did. But, like "Puff" that can only take you so far for so long. I'm not from AZ but followed the Prop 200 battle. It would be interesting to hear from local FReepers about how vocal McCain is on immigration these days.
412 posted on 01/29/2005 10:48:50 AM PST by radicalamericannationalist (The Senate is our new goal: 60 in '06.)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

Good post.


413 posted on 01/29/2005 11:04:59 AM PST by wardaddy (I don't think Muslims are good for America....just a gut instinct thing.)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

wonder where his cakebuddy is?


414 posted on 01/29/2005 11:06:52 AM PST by wardaddy (I don't think Muslims are good for America....just a gut instinct thing.)
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To: wardaddy

Would that be bayourod?


415 posted on 01/29/2005 11:12:32 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

or any of the other crybabies that run to the AM at the slightest "offense".


416 posted on 01/29/2005 11:18:04 AM PST by wardaddy (I don't think Muslims are good for America....just a gut instinct thing.)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

Thank you for the information.


417 posted on 01/29/2005 12:06:11 PM PST by Once-Ler (Beating a dead horse for NeoCon America)
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To: bayourod

You don't make any sense at all.


418 posted on 01/29/2005 12:22:59 PM PST by TheBrotherhood (There is more to life than "the party." Please visit www.terrisfight.org)
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To: TheBrotherhood

Well then explain to us in your own words why your friends can't get jobs? Perhaps some examples of some jobs they applied for that went to illegal aliens instead would help explain their problems.


419 posted on 01/29/2005 12:27:37 PM PST by bayourod (America, the greatest nation in history is a nation of immigrants. Immigrants are an asset.)
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To: bahblahbah

He wants to match up workers to businesses,

I wonder does this mean if a buiness has employee's working at $15.00 an hr. and a Mexican will do the same job for $7.50 per hr. is this "matching" up worker's to business?


420 posted on 01/29/2005 12:33:55 PM PST by Isabelle
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