Glory Hallelujia!
Proud to be an America!
Posted on 01/18/2005 5:57:53 PM PST by wagglebee
I disagree. I think he stayed within the boundaries of the Constitution as recognized at the time.
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He suspended habeus corpus for four years to name just one.
I do not condemn him for this. i applaud it. I am grateful as an American he had the courage to do what was needed.
That one quote from John Ford's, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, seems to demonstrate your appreciation of Freeman.
Don't you think it is a bit cynical to characterize Freeman's work as only meaningful when it agrees with what the 'reputable historians' want to believe. "Never let the facts get in the way" seems to be your opinion.
You would deconstruct Freeman's work of Lee into distortions, exaggerations, and misrepresentations that were simply in defense of Lee's detractors.
It is obvious that you have a problem with Freeman, and certainly feel free to continue on with your problem. But do not use your imagination as to whether or not I agree with him, or characterize the comments of others here on the history of Lee's contributions to American history as re-cycled anecdotes and uninformed assessments.
"Maybe that should change, and someone should call you on these things when you stumble into prejudice or hate speech."
I see you are throwing an incendiary in order to "bolster your weak arguments".
For most of the war suspensions of habeas corpus were done under the authority Congress voted in 1862 or 63. And I would point out that there is nothing in the Constitution that states the President may not suspend habeas corpus and the Supreme Court has never ruled on the subject.
Well, we are on the same side here, just viewing things a little different. In my opinion, they are niggling details. The larger truth overpowers the remainder.
Proud to be an America!
Uhmm...that should have been "Proud to be an AMERICAN!"
Bad fingers...bad!
Even the most conservative of us have grown accustomed to a strong federal government, but almost no state government. Most state "pride" is generally reserved for sports team (except of course the Texans). And all of this is unfortunate, because we don't realize how much state sovereignty we have handed over to Washington. Abortion for instance should certainly be a state issue (as murder is), but everyone seems to believe it is a federal issue; on the other hand gun rights, which IS a federal issue (we have the Constitutional right to have them), has somehow been turned over to the states (my right to carry a gun in Virginia does me know good in another state, which makes no sense).
LOL! Now you begin to understand the southern viewpoint!
The framers of our constitution never exhausted so much labor, wisdom, and forbearance in its formation, and surrounded it with so many guards and securities, if it was intended to be broken by every member of the Confederacy at will. It was intended for "perpetual union" so expressed in the preamble, and for the establishment of a government, not a compact, which can only be dissolved by revolution, or the consent of all the people in convention assembled. It is idle to talk of secession. Anarchy would have been established, and not a government, by Washington, Hamilton, Jefferson, Madison, and the other patriots of the Revolution.”
– Robert E. Lee, January 21, 1861
The fact that only a small percentage of Southerners owned slaves helped seal the doom of the CSA. The South was not united behind the Confederacy. Many people had no desire to fight for what they saw as the slave oligarchy's interests. Almost 20% of Southern soldiers in the war fought in the Union army. And many soldiers in the Confederate army had Union sympathies but were caught in the draft and forced to fight against their convictions. This contributed to the disintegration of the Confederate army and the CSA itself.
sure: ROBERT E LEE, CHRISTIAN.
Thanks, Stand. I'll look for it.
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Stonewall Jackson and John Hunt Morgan towered above Grant, both as men, and as military officers.
Sounds terrific!
I agree that Lee, Grant and Lincoln were three great Americans who came out of the war. I'd add a fourth in General Sherman. He fought a hard war, but it was what was needed to end the bloodshed and preserve the Union. He showed the spirit of magnanimity to his Southern brothers by his generous terms to Joe Johnston. Sherman gets a bad press by many, but he was only a hard soldier and was not motivated by the anti-Southern hate that characterized Sheridan.
Unusual capacity.......yes.
You have already received this, however, you did not learn.
Sherman was a mass murderer, his troops raped and slaughtered their way across Georgia & South Carolina - meeting token resistance from feeble old men, women and children.
Their homes and crops were destroyed, they were robbed of their personal property including jewelry, silverware and monies. Women and children were captured and sent into Northern slavery.
Sherman though the country was swarming with Jews, and even issued an order expelling them. Regarding Southerners, he wrote his wife of "extermination, not of soldiers alone". To which his dutiful wife responded that she wished for a war of extermination and that all Confederates would be driven like "swine into the sea".
After the war Sherman waged war on the Native Americans, "even to their extermination, men, women and children." He gave orders that "soldiers cannot pause to distinguish between male and female, or even discriminate as to age."
Some hero.
42 posted on 01/20/2004 10:43:39 AM EST by 4ConservativeJustices
But Grant and Freeman spoke well of him.
So the southron myth machine would have us believe. The publishers of "Civil War Times" and "Military History" did a special edition last month focusing on 1864. One of the articles was on Sherman's campaign in Georgia and the article noted, "Circumstances point to the conclusion that actual plundering of nonedible property was minimal during the march to the sea, and possibly less than what confederates destroyed in Pennsylvania." Property of no value to the southern war effort was generally left alone, houses were for the most part respected, and civilians were not harmed. More and more the truth is coming out, and the southron myths are being unmasked.
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