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Constitutional Means to Fight Smoking Bans
Smokers United ^ | January 11,2005 | Robert Hayes Halfpenny

Posted on 01/13/2005 11:53:07 AM PST by bob3443

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To: bob3443
Smoking is as much a part of free speech as is burning the flag.

Again, this seems to me to be a complete non sequitir. How is smoking tobacco free speech?

301 posted on 01/14/2005 6:37:37 AM PST by RonF
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To: Gabz
There is nothing CIVIL about the behavior of the anti-smokers. The opposite can not be said about the majority of smokers.

Actually, I can remember, in my youth (I'm 52) when a smoker in the presence of a non-smoker would ask, "Do you mind if I light up?" I haven't heard that in years, though.

302 posted on 01/14/2005 6:39:17 AM PST by RonF
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To: Gabz

Sulfite Food Allergies
Many of the foods we buy contain sulfides, additives designed to preserve and prevent discoloration. Sulfides are typically added to dehydrated foods, some canned foods such as tuna, and some frozen foods. Anyone who suffers from unexplained allergic symptoms may be sulfite-sensitive. Sulfite allergies can create a wide variety of reactions in certain individuals. The most common symptoms of sulfite sensitivity include dizziness, hot flashes, runny nose, headaches, stomach cramps, and irritability. The symptoms of a sulfite reaction usually occur soon after consumption. If you experience any of these or other symptoms, check for sulfite content. If you suffer from severe allergic reactions or asthma, sulfites can pose a significant risk to your health and may cause you to go into labored breathing or even anaphylactic shock. Foods that commonly contain sulfites include canned sea food, dried fish, fresh shell fish, shrimp, scallops, oysters, and lobster. Sulfites can be listed on a product label as potassium bisulfite, sodium sulfite, sodium bisulfite, sulfur dioxide, or any ingredient that ends in sulfite. Make sure to get into the habit of checking ingredient labels. Ask your pharmacist about this home test kit. For more information write to: Sulfitest Center Laboratories, 35 Channel Drive, Port Washington, NY 11050, or call (800) 645-6335.


http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C488839.html

http://www.healingwell.com/library/allergies/papazian1.asp


303 posted on 01/14/2005 6:58:29 AM PST by Raycpa (Alias, VRWC_minion,)
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To: RonF
I haven't heard that in years, though.

You've never met me........I always ask the question. As does every other smoker I know.

Of course I also live in a polite society where even the most rabid anti-smoker would never dream of calling someone who smokes a nasty name.

304 posted on 01/14/2005 7:08:37 AM PST by Gabz (Anti-smoker gnatzies...small minds buzzing in your business..............SWAT'EM)
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To: Raycpa

Interesting information, but I have no clue what that has to do with my post about my reaction to raw shrimp. I get none of those symptoms, nor do I consume raw shrimp.


305 posted on 01/14/2005 7:12:00 AM PST by Gabz (Anti-smoker gnatzies...small minds buzzing in your business..............SWAT'EM)
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To: Gabz

I thought you said you had an allergic reaction when eating shrimp ?


306 posted on 01/14/2005 7:19:20 AM PST by Raycpa (Alias, VRWC_minion,)
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To: Raycpa

Not when eating it, I eat it all the time.....however I can not clean raw shrimp or even be in the same room with raw shrimp without my eyes starting to swell shut.


307 posted on 01/14/2005 7:55:43 AM PST by Gabz (Anti-smoker gnatzies...small minds buzzing in your business..............SWAT'EM)
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To: Gabz
I can not clean raw shrimp

When you touch it, it eventually gets transferred to your mouth. For people who are sensitive to it, it only takes a very small amount. My wife is sensitive to it and can have a reaction from just touching a lime that was sprayed with it because it goes from her hand to her mouth.

Shrimp gets sprayed with sulfite's as soon as it comes out of the water. The fact that once its cooked or washed you are okay indicates its something on it.

One more problem is that a person doesn't always have the same reaction, possibly because of prior exposures from other sources or current health. For example, sometimes my wife can have one or two shrimp with no effects and other times a small amount can cause a severe reaction.

Most times the reactions are mild but they have been known to cause death when the airways swell so much you cannot breath. At one time my wife needed to carry an epipen but since has the problem under control.

308 posted on 01/14/2005 8:04:43 AM PST by Raycpa (Alias, VRWC_minion,)
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To: bob3443
Are you the author?
You are correct in the fact stated that anti-smokers do scream ETS is a health hazard and that OSHA and WHO has found no statistically significant danger from ETS.

If you are the author, The disingenous comment was directed to some of the constitutional arguments, not at the argument in general.

To give you an example,
Amendment I - This is not a freedom of speech issue. It's just barely possible that the right to peacefully assemble could be invoked but not a very good possibility.

Amendment V - Government is allowed to regulate privately owned businesses for things the customer is not allowed to see that could affect health, such as food storage, sometimes food preparation, cleanliness of preparation areas, etc.
While ETS is not in this category, the government has the power, under health issues, to regulate privately owned businesses at times.

Amendment IX - Bans are, "bad faith"? What does that have do do with anything?
The rest of the argument, specific group against property owner rights and clients wishes may have some bearing, but, "Bad Faith"?

Amendment X - The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people. The rights’ of the people are always preeminent to the rights of the government.
Governments have no rights, only powers. And I believe that, at certain times, the powers of the government CAN be used to restrict, temporarily, certain rights of the people.
Smoking bans are not one of these circumstances or times.

309 posted on 01/14/2005 8:17:57 AM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Diverdogz

Most of these business have not suffered a loss in revenue.

I know that I still eat at restaurants that ban smokers..oops, I mean smoking. But If smokers chose to show restaurants and others through their pocketbooks, I believe there would be a significant loss of revenue.

Smokers though, are simply trying to follow the law and live as normally as they can, so they continue to give business to those who think they are somehow "less" than other patrons.


310 posted on 01/14/2005 8:21:18 AM PST by hushpad (Come on baby. . .Don't fear the FReeper. . .)
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To: Raycpa

I'm glad your wife has her situation under control.


I don't even have to touch raw shrimp, just being in the same room is enough fo my eyes to start itching and then swelling, and the weird thing is that the fresher the shrimp, the faster the reaction. And I'm even talking about shrimp coming directly out of the water.

You may be onto something about the spraying of sulfites on the shrimp, but I have no idea..........I have absolutely no other food allergies, and never have. Now insect bites or stings is an entirely different story.....but also for another thread.

Hope you have a pleasant afternoon...I need to go run some errands.


311 posted on 01/14/2005 8:45:18 AM PST by Gabz (Anti-smoker gnatzies...small minds buzzing in your business..............SWAT'EM)
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To: zoosha
If a smoker wants to smoke, my answer to him is, "Certainly,BUT SMOKE THE DAMN WEED OUTSIDE. I DON'T NEED CANCER FROM YOUR BUTT."

If you have a problem with it my answer to you is, "Certainly, BUT TAKE YOUR BUISNESS TO AN ESTABLISHMENT THAT CATERS TO YOUR NANNYISM."

BTW, the danger from second hand smoke is dubious.

312 posted on 01/14/2005 9:03:17 AM PST by MileHi
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To: mdhunter
... I don't support banning smoking indoors simply because it's a nuisance. I support it because it's categorically dangerous.

Nonsense. Junk science.

313 posted on 01/14/2005 9:06:44 AM PST by MileHi
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To: Gabz

Sulfites can give off a gas called sulfur dioxide, which the asthmatic inhales while eating the sulfited food. This irritates the lungs and can send an asthmatic into severe bronchospasm, a constriction of the lungs. Such reactions led the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to ban sulfites as spray-on preservatives in fresh fruits and vegetables. But they are still used in some foods and are made naturally during the fermentation of wine, for example.


http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:KM4E7G70jLEJ:www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/food.htm+%2Bsulfites+%2Bshrimp+%2Bspray&hl=en


314 posted on 01/14/2005 9:07:40 AM PST by Raycpa (Alias, VRWC_minion,)
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To: exnavychick

I used to work in the rest. business too (as a servr). I can imagine Mr Ex's horror stories quite well.


315 posted on 01/14/2005 9:44:10 AM PST by Annie03
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To: Gabz

" They are not willing to accept the concept that all smokers aren't drug-addict-trailer-trash"

Exactly. I had to get off the puter last night, so I'm late here :). My mil (who is my dearest friend) doesn't like smoking or smoke. But she isn't ignorant about it at all. I've stayed at her home (and of course smoke outside). She considers me a considerate smoker....and never bashes me for doing it.


316 posted on 01/14/2005 9:50:39 AM PST by Annie03
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To: RandallFlagg

That looks yummy! Just copied the recipe to make ASAP.


317 posted on 01/14/2005 9:56:30 AM PST by Annie03
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To: hispanarepublicana

Your recipe sounds fabulous....I can't wait to try it.


318 posted on 01/14/2005 9:57:42 AM PST by Annie03
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To: mdhunter
I can give you plenty of study names should you want them. about 75 or 85 if you want.
No I do not have the studies themselves nor can I give you links to the actual studies. It's been too long since I did the research on these studies myself to have the links still available and I don't have the hard drive space to keep the actual studies.
But the studies run about 80% against there being a statistically significant danger from ETS to 20% that says there MAY be a statistically significant danger.

If you want the study names and the names of the main researchers, let me know.

319 posted on 01/14/2005 12:28:38 PM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Diverdogz
Most of these business have not suffered a loss in revenue.

Most of the businesses in Florida can have a year round outdoor patio that can accomodate smokers.
Go to somewhere that can't accomodate smokers outdoors year round.

320 posted on 01/14/2005 12:31:16 PM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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