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Grammar for Smarties("Why Oh Why" books' success prove we’re serious about the care of our language)
The American Prowler ^ | 1/11/2005 | Christopher Orlet

Posted on 01/10/2005 10:26:26 PM PST by nickcarraway

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To: nickcarraway
"...there is good reason to be skeptical of change, particularly when it comes about out of laziness and the dumbing-down of grammar rules..."

BUMP!!!

161 posted on 01/11/2005 1:58:18 PM PST by Pagey (Hillary talking about the bible,is as hypocritical as Bill carrying one out of church for 8 years)
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To: Question_Assumptions
There's no way to stop the decile (and decline it is;not just a change!)and I know that living languages are in constant flux.

One funny thing,is that the hip-hop use of the word "FLY",is a reverting to the use of the slang use of the early 19th,meaning a lose woman/prostitute.

But there's NO excuses for people incorrectly using "your" for the conjunction "you're",etc.! And that's something many of us were also taking about on this thread.It has nothing at all to do with "trying to keep the language pure",as the nutty French tried to do.

162 posted on 01/11/2005 3:09:06 PM PST by nopardons
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To: leadhead

LOL


163 posted on 01/11/2005 3:09:25 PM PST by nopardons
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To: ftlpdx
ROTFLMAOPIMP

BRAVO...well done. :-)

164 posted on 01/11/2005 3:10:27 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Centurion2000

I'll look that up,after dinner and get back to you.It's been many decades since I read El Cid. :-)


165 posted on 01/11/2005 3:13:15 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Centurion2000

Learn to write cogently.You implied no such thing and Spanish isn't a frozen,unchanging language.


166 posted on 01/11/2005 3:14:17 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nickcarraway
All your language are belong to us.

-PJ

167 posted on 01/11/2005 3:16:35 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: nickcarraway
Do u thnk 1 rezun s txt msg on cell fones?

-PJ

168 posted on 01/11/2005 3:18:38 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: FreedomCalls

Oh,I thought that was who you meant. His recipes are okay,but nothing all that interesting and his lisp,more than his accent,drives me round the bend.


169 posted on 01/11/2005 3:19:24 PM PST by nopardons
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To: FreeKeys

Oh dear....


170 posted on 01/11/2005 3:19:42 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
Learn to write cogently.You implied no such thing and Spanish isn't a frozen,unchanging language.

Go back 1000 years and english is unrecognizable ... On the other hand [implies a DIFFERNT language, dolt], El Cid (spanish implied) is readable in the original.

Spanish is a much more stable language than english.

And for nopardons:


171 posted on 01/11/2005 3:45:17 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Nations do not survive by setting examples for others. Nations survive by making examples of others)
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To: nopardons

The worst part is, when I took her to her "high school" for Freshman orientation a couple of years ago, the assembly was begun by the principal introducing two senior girls who were to welcome us all excitedly. The first words out of the one "Student Council President's" mouth were: "WELL, ME AND STEPHANIE..."

Coulda thrown up.

If it hadn't been for financial complications from the divorce, it would have been OFF TO PRIVATE SCHOOL IMMEDIATELY!!!


172 posted on 01/11/2005 4:23:00 PM PST by FreeKeys ("Most widespread form of child abuse: sending children to the gov't to be educated."- Neal Boortz)
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To: Centurion2000
Okie dokey,looked it up and I have several sources,none of who say that El Cid was written in 1157.

Robert Southy,whose "CHRONICLE OF THE CID" was published in 1808,was England's Poet Laureat,and his translation/compilation is "universally esteemed as the finest example of romantic history...."

Yes,he spoke Spanish and studied all of the manuscripts about The Cid while he was living there.Chronica Del Famosa Cavallero Cid Ruydiez Campeador Burgos was first printed in 1552 and again in a1593.But the exact age of the original Chronile was impossible to date exactly. Then,there is Poema Del Cid,which is dated from 1307,but could be from 1220.The last source Southy used for his work,were Romances Del Cid ,which are later versions (ballads),from the late 16 through the 17th centuries.

Southy wrote that the language of all of these writings varies,varies and you can tell that the Spanish is older in some versions than in others.

Gee...what was it you were saying about how Spanish didn't change very much?

Now W.S. Merewin says that El Cid was probably written around 1140.but the ONLY extant copy,which has three pages missing,and is a copy made in 1307 by a monk. Southy says that this copy had been mucked with and that Per Abbat (Merwin agrees that's who copied it,BTW)had added things in more "modern" language.

If we take your date of 1157 and subtract it from 2005,we get 848 years. If we use the earliest date of Poema El Cid, that I found,it's 865 years,from then till now. So either way,it's NOT 1,000 years,as you claimed.

For someone who has been soooooooooooo nit picky,on this thread,your own posts have left much to be desired and quite a lot of nits to pick. :-)

173 posted on 01/11/2005 5:52:14 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Centurion2000

Your wee picture doesn't show,sweetums and you still can't do simple subtraction,or so it seems. :-)


174 posted on 01/11/2005 5:53:56 PM PST by nopardons
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To: FreeKeys
Oh for goodness sakes! It's an epidemic of incorrect English! No wonder you got sick to your stomach.

As a parent too,the only I can tell you is,just keep correcting her at home. That does work. :-)

175 posted on 01/11/2005 5:57:37 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Thanks.


176 posted on 01/11/2005 7:50:08 PM PST by FreeKeys ("But if thought corrupts language, language can also corrupt thought." -- Eric Blair (George Orwell))
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To: FreeKeys

My pleasure.


177 posted on 01/11/2005 8:00:40 PM PST by nopardons
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