Posted on 01/10/2005 12:36:47 PM PST by It's me
There were many people inside who wwere saved from the water.
Jesus created his Church. Man created Denominations. Before the various splits due to Luther and Henry VIII, there was a single church, the Catholic Church.
Also, no Catholic with a real understanding of his faith would ever claim that Catholics are the only believers. We do believe that we have the fullness of the faith because we have the entire body of revelation through Scripture and Sacred Tradition. That doesn't mean that non-Catholics do not have at least that part of revelation provided by Scripture.
I merely suggest that you will benefit most, if you take a spade in both hands and dig out the answer yourself. May your search be fruitful and transforming.
best, ampu
As a former Mormon I learned long ago to read scripture for myself (that's why the books are written) and to see if any leader's teachings lined up with the light of truth. I am now free of cults like Mormonism. And I work to help people be free of Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, and any other religion which sets itself up in the place of Christ.
The church where I now reside never murdered millions of people for confessing Christ by the way. That would be "anti-catholic" at its best.
Very edifying. Have you thought of starting your own church?
There were splits long before Martin Luther, in fact, the institutional church as we se it today is a split from the local Church idea the APostles started.
THere were many local churches that never fell under the control of Constantinople or Rome, and they remained local churches until they were persecuted to death.
That means the RCC, the Orthodox, the Asyrian, they are all splits from what God started:: Individual Churches for each city, local control, Bible based values, not man created rules or spelling out of doctrines.
The Reformation was a feeble attempt to return to Biblical truth, but Protestntism never fully went back to the original ideas.
Bible churches are close, but as far as doctrine, you have to shop around for a good one among them, also.
But, a denominational Church, thatis totally not what God started,and there is zero evidence He did.
When you know nothing about anything, it's wise just to keep your mouth shut.
(Eye roll.)
I had a Saint Jude Icon blessed by a priest and presetnted it to my friends daughter who was on her deat bed... She made a full recovery...
Oh RIGHT! I forGOT! Silly of me.
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-good Thames, G.J.P.(Jr.)
I have a friend who paid a priest $750 to bless his crops in North Dakota. The drought wiped them all out. So what does either story prove - sometimes little girls heal & sometimes grain grows. I thank Yeshua (Jesus) for the blessing of your friend's daughter's recovery and today I pray for the peace of Jerusalem; may He prosper those who love her. shalom
You use the word "tradition" in what I would consider an over-specific way.
To contrast, I would say that the Bible itself is a tradition, that the interpetation of "all scripture" as referring to the New Testament as well as the Old is also a tradition.
In general, I would say there are good and true traditions and there are false ones. Tradition is a descriptive, not an evaluative, word in my lexicon. (And yes, I own a concordance.)
So your word study, helpful though it is in some respects, doesn't approach my disagreement with your point. I don't mean this as a counter-argument. It's more an attempt at a clarification of the question -- a question I don't think we will resolve here.
Okay, remembering the commandment about false witness here ...
You're saying your friend went to a priest and said,"How much to bless my field?," and the priest said,"$750."
When I was a hospital chaplain, sometimes I would end up praying with patients. Some of them gave me money (which went into the chaplain's office budget which depended on charity and on fees from students). But I didn't ask them for money, I didn't expect anything. Someone with an agenda could say the patient paid me to pray, but it sure wouldn't mean what it sounds like.
This is rather involved. During the three days Christ preached to the Dead. Thus he created a church for those in Spirit Prison to learn his Gospel. There is no other answer for this scripture. What reason was there to teach them if they were already damned as Catholic believe. Well there is an answer Paul tells us in 1 Corinthians 15:29 Now if there is no resurrection, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized for them?
This is the real answer. The church did not end with John. It continued in the Spirit World with Peter himself at the Head just as promised.
God himself came down as Jesus Christ and paid the ultimate price for all his children. Every single one. No matter what church they belonged to they will all be resurrected just as he was. He being God knew the church would not last long upon the earth thus he taught about a second coming.
This has not happened yet but he is preparing the earth for this and has reestablished his church upon the earth with Apostles and Prophets. He himself at the head speaking to the Prophets as necessary. Apostles call new Bishops, Priest, Deacons and other Church Officials and pass on this authority to others to act in their name with their approval.
"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints" is this church the only true church on Earth.
But fear not if you are not a member you can still learn the gospel in the spirit world and someone here on earth can be Baptized for you. But better to join here on earth and do the work for your ancestors yourself.
Prove my Church False and I will join yours. OK?
True too bad I had to take my daughter to College and couldn't get back till now.
I agree with your discussion but dissagree with your final conclusion.
He did create a church and it is back on Earth now. Read my other posts.
Not exactly. All of those churches are still part of the Catholic Church because they had apostolic origins. The Roman Catholic Church is that part that practices under the Roman Rite. The Eastern Orthodox Church, the Copts, etc all practice the same fundementals of the faith.
the institutional church as we se it today is a split from the local Church idea the APostles started.
I would like to see some factual/historical support for that statement. In my experience, such a statement is offered to justify departing from the Church founded by Jesus and carried on by his apostles. Note that in the Acts of the Apostles, Paul and another disciple came to Jerusalem to confer with Peter and the other apostles over the issue of circumsicion for pagan converts. Sounds like an institutional church with a central body of authority to me.Also, Paul's letters show that he was traveling far and wide but maintaining authority over the churches he established. The Churches were hardly local.
a denominational Church, thatis totally not what God started,and there is zero evidence He did.
I agree. Denominations are only relevant when more than one branch of the Church springs up. Jesus created one Church to be governed by Peter and the apostles. The Catholic Church is that church.
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