Mel Gibson post-award press conference-"Kinship" with Michael Moore

[joedeedee]

Does Jesus Christ also love the insane followers of Jesus Christ or just the "sane" followers of Jesus Christ.

[missyme]

Of course Jesus loves everyone, I don't think he stipulated any one group of people he was dying for.

[Mase]

"I'm sorry...'talking points'? Let's see, our administration swears there are WMD's, hence the reason we're invading Iraq and then we don't find any. How is this a 'leftist' talking point? I'm simply curious to know where they are. That's all"

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Do you really believe that WMD's were the only reason we went to war in Iraq? Could Iraq, like Afghanistan, be an integral part of the war on terror? The MSM would like you to separate the two and, if you rely on the NY Times for your news and information, I could accept the fact that you did not know any better but, you have been on this forum for a long time and have access to a great deal of proof that Iraq is about much more than WMD. Maybe that's why your conservative credentials are being questioned.

Were you concerned at all that the German's, English and Russian's all believed that Hussein had WMD too? Explain why Hussein would risk his power, family and wealth if he did not have WMD. If nothing existed; why not just let the inspectors find nothing and stop the USA in their tracks and avoid war altogether?

Beyond that; what about the fact that Iraq was regularly shooting missiles at our aircraft patrolling the no-fly zone? Is this not an act of war? What about his refusal to comply with umpteen resolutions by the UN? How about his financing of homicide bombers who have killed so many innocent Israeli women and children? Is the world safer without Hussein in power?

By fighting in Iraq we are also fighting Iran. It's very similar to what we did to defeat the Soviets by fighting their client states. Reforming the Middle East is our only hope for draining the swamp that produces terrorists. How else will you stop the schools that take young minds and make them hate so much that they will kill on command? How else do you stop the states that finance and harbor these thugs?

Iraq and Al Qaida were in bed long before 9-11. You have to look hard to find the proof but it is out there. Don't rely on the MSM for that since they have no interest in the truth. Hussein gave sanctuary to Abu Abbas, Abu Nidal, Abdul Rahman Yassin and al Zarquawi. Hussein trained terrorists at Salman Pak. Why people refuse to see this, like our President did, is just dumbfounding. See this link for more valuable information: http://www.freerepublic.com/^http://husseinandterror.com/

[Mase]

"Does Jesus Christ also love the insane followers of Jesus Christ or just the "sane" followers of Jesus Christ."


How would you, joedeedee new at FR today, differentiate between "sane" and "insane" Christians?

[GeorgeW23225]

No I don't. If you actually read my post, you would see that I listed a few examples of actors who could separate fiction from reality. I didn't put the Gipper on the list because he was already involved in politics..........

[GeorgeW23225]

I guess things must be a little boring over at DU, since they don't have an election to steal.........

Let's hope the tin foil hat wearing, vulgar trolls from DU actually LEARN something while they're here. But. I doubt it!!

[GeorgeW23225]

You can't rationalize or debate intelligently with the unintelligent. Save your breath. They are hopeless.

No one in their right mind would defend a piece of propaganda trash like F9/11......

[Clorinox]

"Is the world safer without Hussein in power?"

Good question. Is the world "safer" today then when the war began?

It would be hard to prove one way or the other. Have bombings around the world increased or decreased since the occupation began? Does this fact have anything to do with Saddams arrest? Has al-queda become weaker or stronger since the war began?

All of these questions are very difficult to answer and would only be a start as to whether the world is "safer" or not with Saddam out of power.

A parallel question might be, is the world safer now that the Soviet Union no longer exists?

[Admin Moderator]

Bus is my God too! All day long, Bus transports happy people in big city! Kneel before Bus!

[Mase]

"Is the world safer without Hussein in power?"
Good question. Is the world "safer" today then when the war began?

It would be hard to prove one way or the other. Have bombings around the world increased or decreased since the occupation began? Does this fact have anything to do with Saddams arrest? Has al-queda become weaker or stronger since the war began?

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This is not a difficult question. If you are a terrorist, a nation who harbors terrorists or a despot/tyrant/ruler/mullah who supports terrorism, the world is definitely much more dangerous for you now thanks to our president and our armed forces.

Here's where it gets real easy: We have not been attacked by terrorists within our borders since 9-11. If you had been asked on September 12, 2001 if we could go 3 1/2 years without another domestic terrorist attack, what would your answer have been? If you were like me you were waiting for the other shoe to drop. It has not happened.

Right now, I think the members of Al Qaida, who are still alive, are busy trying to make sure that democracy is not allowed to succeed in Iraq or they are fighting our troops on the Afghan-Paki border. In doing so many more of them are being killed every day. They are being engaged and killed over there so they can not attack us here. Their leader has been reduced to hiding in a cave traveling in a small group with only his most trusted people. He is constantly looking over his shoulder for American special forces or a missile from the clear blue sky. Hard to make plans and rally the troops when your day is spent trying to survive until the next.

Anyone who thinks that these scum could possibly hate us anymore now than they did prior to 9-11 is just plain ignorant. If they could have used nukes on 9-11, they would have. This is just more drivel by the would be leftist appeasers who think that animals who fly planes into buildings, saw off the heads of innocent people or shoot children in the back in school yards can be negotiated with or appeased. They cannot. The only way to deal with them is to kill them and make it clear to anyone harboring like ambitions that they too will be killed.

It may get worse before it gets better (more bombings around the world etc.) since war is ugly and these terrorists are unlike anything we have ever confronted in previous wars. One thing is for certain, Hussein will no longer be able to kill hundreds of thousands of his own people or rape and torture thousands more.

Your parallel question about the Soviet Union is absurd. Are you one those who believes that the Afghans were better off under the Taliban?

[Clorinox]

"We have not been attacked by terrorists within our borders since 9-11. If you had been asked on September 12, 2001 if we could go 3 1/2 years without another domestic terrorist attack, what would your answer have been?"

It's hard to determine since 9/11 has been the only major attack on the US in many years whether the terrorist organizations were very strong prior to 9/11 and have been weakened since or whether the terrorists got "lucky" on their initial strike and never had much of a power base.

You say that it is an easy question to answer and yet you didn't answer a single question about whether fewer or more terrorist attacks have occurred since the beginning of the war, how many terrorists exist, etc. These are not easy questions to answer and even have our top intelligence experts in a quandry as to the strength of al-qaeda, the number of forces arrayed against us etc. I am very glad the Bush administration has done a good job protecting america since 9/11. I do not (of course) know if this is a false sense of security or whether are borders and cities are really as protected as this long pause of terrorist activity implies. Since terrorist attacks are few and far between both prior and post 9/11 it is hard to determine.

[Clorinox]

"Your parallel question about the Soviet Union is absurd. Are you one those who believes that the Afghans were better off under the Taliban?"

I posed the question, I didn't provide an answer.
Do you think the world is safer without the soviet union?
Or did its destabilization create a greater potential threat?

There are no easy answers to these questions which is my point. One benefit of the war (the arrest of Saddam) does not necessarilly create a more stable region. Sure Saddam will no longer be able to torture the Iraqi populace, but that does not guarentee that the Iraqi populace will be free of murder or torture.

[stands2reason]

Fo- ever.

And Goodnight.

[stands2reason]

I just see one keyword, but I think DU linked to this thread. It was swarming.

[Conspiracy Guy]

Could be.

[Mase]

You wrote:

"It's hard to determine since 9/11 has been the only major attack on the US in many years whether the terrorist organizations were very strong prior to 9/11 and have been weakened since or whether the terrorists got "lucky" on their initial strike and never had much of a power base."

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Pretty safe bet that they have been weakened considering they don't have their own country to plan and launch attacks from anymore and their leader lives in a cave. This speaks only to Al Qiada. There are many other terrorist organizations but their fate will be no different.

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You wrote:

"You say that it is an easy question to answer and yet you didn't answer a single question about whether fewer or more terrorist attacks have occurred since the beginning of the war, how many terrorists exist, etc. These are not easy questions to answer and even have our top intelligence experts in a quandry as to the strength of al-qaeda, the number of forces arrayed against us etc."

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It really does not matter how many terrorist attacks there are at this point in the war and I wouldn't draw any conclusions by comparing the number of attacks to the relative strength or weakness of the terrorists. I suspect, as they get more desperate, that they will do more desperate things. I do know that their communications and financing have been disrupted and that we are killing them every day. I also know that our intelligence is catching up from decades of abuse by liberals and will be of greater service as the war continues. As for how many of them there are out there.....well, there are a lot less than there were before 9-11 and I firmly believe that the call to jihad will draw a lesser response as more terrorists die and we finally stop the schools that supply the miscreants.

[arfriKa wassersTein]

I really cannot believe Mel has sold out SO much! Doesn't he realize the importance of a consolidated philosophical stance, one which integrates Xtianity, hatred of liberals, and intolerance for Big Federal Government? Mel needs to get with the program!

Did Michael Moore REALLY say that about our brave troops, that they deserve their deaths? They're fighting over in Iraq for his huge butt, and he is laughing in their faces like that? Disgusting. I wonder what Mel thinks. Probably has more kind words for Michael Moore and his huge America-hating behind!

afriKa

[Mase]

"I posed the question, I didn't provide an answer.
Do you think the world is safer without the soviet union?
Or did its destabilization create a greater potential threat?"

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Some things are self evident - but you have to be willing to see them. How can you look at what's happening in Eastern Europe, the Baltic's and, most recently in the Ukraine, and not answer that question for yourself?

The only concern I have is the protection of nuclear weapons and materials as the old Soviet Union breaks up. It's a major concern and I wish the world's leaders would do more to allay my fears.

No one can gurantees the future of the Iraqi populace better than the Iraqis. But, if I were an Iraqi, I would accept the current imperfect world filled with potential over the certainty of torture, murder and no future under Hussein. This is just another one of those self evident things for me like Afghanistan being better off now than they were under the Taliban. It really isn't all that difficult.