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Tough Assignment: Teaching Evolution To Fundamentalists
Ft. Wayne Journal Gazette ^ | 03 December 2004 | SHARON BEGLEY

Posted on 12/18/2004 5:56:30 PM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: Cvengr
I have never observed as mich rigor given to verifying the exponential formulas...

Try here.

281 posted on 12/20/2004 6:32:58 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Cicero
It's not a matter of religious belief in my case, it's a matter of bad science.

That's my thinking.

282 posted on 12/20/2004 6:34:19 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: js1138
Being night on to empty does not get you closer in time.

If a person has a main artery slashed, they're near death. Doesn't matter how long they have, they're near death. When they loose feeling in the extremities, they are still near death. When the blood pressure shallows, they are still near death. When they begin feeling cold, they are still near death. When vision starts tunneling and sound fades, they are still near death. When it all stops they are dead. The end of time is near because we see the signs of it. It doesn't mean it's ten minutes away, it means we should take the signs for what they are and be prepared for the inevitable. You can at times forestall Death. But the end of time is on God's schedule - you ain't stoppin it. The most you can do is be aware of what is due to happen and know where you stand in relation to it. If you're right with God, how soon is immaterial. The signs are here to tell us it's close - not to give us chance to prevent it. So some perspective is required.

283 posted on 12/20/2004 6:37:53 AM PST by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade.)
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To: PatrickHenry

I rest my case.

Note that the progression from false laws to accusing scientists of defending Nazi's to threatening people with burning follows as the night follows the day.


284 posted on 12/20/2004 6:41:21 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: RadioAstronomer
SN1987A does take more that bigamy. It takes trigonometry.
285 posted on 12/20/2004 6:42:15 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Havoc
The signs are here to tell us it's close ...

64 FAILED END-OF-THE-WORLD PREDICTIONS. Google turns up a lotta websites like this one.

286 posted on 12/20/2004 6:43:38 AM PST by PatrickHenry (The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: Doctor Stochastic

Situational ethics is predictable in its ends. So, yes, when you promote something that leads to situational ethics, you will get reminded of what it is and what it does. You're not offended that the Nazis came up as an example, you're ticked that people get it pointed out to them to actually think about it. Thinking is a bad thing with religions like yours.


287 posted on 12/20/2004 6:44:25 AM PST by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade.)
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To: chronic_loser
JESUS WAS NOT TRYING TO AFFIRM LINEAL RELATIONSHIPS, JUST LINEAL DESCENT.

Language is actually much more (don't say "vague", don't say "poetic") USEFUL than even that.

For example, Jesus also used the expression "your father, the devil". By it he meant something like "active control producing moral resemblance".

There is no indication He was referring to a historical copulation.

288 posted on 12/20/2004 6:46:27 AM PST by Taliesan (The power of the State to do good is the power of the State to do evil.)
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To: Havoc
Might I remind you that the whole scientific community used to believe the earth to be flat..

When? From about a couple of hundred years BC, the learned knew the world was spherical. One of them there pagan dudes worked it out and also figured out the Earth's actual size to within a few decimal places. And, he did this all without benefit of divine revelation. Go figure.

289 posted on 12/20/2004 6:47:09 AM PST by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: PatrickHenry
And? Did scripture predict 'em, or some cultist.. Helps to have a frame of reference for such things doesn't it. A cultist makes a prediction and so the Bible is a lie. If that's how it works, I should become an evolutionist and make all kinds of wild predictions and then that will prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that evolution is a lie.. right. I mean, that's the absurdity you're trying to pull with your stunt isn't it. Yep. Oh well, evolution already ratted itself out - no need for cultists; but, you're trying aren't you.
290 posted on 12/20/2004 6:47:50 AM PST by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade.)
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To: Junior

That ain't what science believed on the whole though, was it.
In fact it was so pervasive that even the church accepted it.
And when they took the position against Galileo, everyone got to wear egg - save for Galileo. Truth is unpopular and usually held in a very small minority - sometimes of one or two. It is usually persecuted and rarely is accepted without a big fight. Who you kiddin.


291 posted on 12/20/2004 6:51:07 AM PST by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade.)
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To: Havoc
It isn't falsifiable. You show me one blasted animal on this planet that can couple with it's own kind and produce a completely different kind of animal that can reproduce it's own kind.

It is falsifiable. Finding modern human skeletons before the Tertiary would be a falsification, for instance. That it hasn't been falsified does not mean that it cannot. And, as for your second sentence above, Evolution does not in any way teach that this would be possible. That you believe it does shows a profound ignorance of that which you rale against.

292 posted on 12/20/2004 6:51:08 AM PST by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: Havoc; Doctor Stochastic
Cause planets spin in both directions in violation of the law of Conservation.

Codswallop! Read something more than Jack Chick and get back to me.

293 posted on 12/20/2004 6:54:41 AM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: Havoc; Junior
such as, oh, particles that have a half life in the fractions of a second leaving halos of decay in bedrock

More codswallop.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/po-halos/

294 posted on 12/20/2004 6:57:43 AM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: Junior

ok, we'll try this again - post seems to have been eaten.

Science and the whole world for that matter largely believed the planet to be flat. It was so pervasive a belief that the Catholics accepted it despite evidence to the contrary in scripture (normal). They persecuted Galileo for arguing contrary to prevailing wisdom. At the time, there was one other on his side because Galileo had come to be on his side.
They were a minority opinion. And as with any truth that paints "wise" men as idiots, it was reviled till it was proven beyond a doubt. Now Galileo is no longer a heretic; but, a learned man. Funny how them things work. He was also not imprisoned for his teaching now, he was imprisoned by revisionism for daring to defy a pope. Care to polish your rhetoric some more. Popular opinion of scientists has a long history of error. I note that you took issue with the one that is most controversial of my examples. Guess we're supposed to ignore all the other times by proxy and assume your one failed rebutt is supposed to redeam the community and your case?
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295 posted on 12/20/2004 6:58:24 AM PST by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade.)
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To: Havoc
You've just defended Hitler

Nazi alert

296 posted on 12/20/2004 6:58:43 AM PST by js1138 (D*mn, I Missed!)
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To: Havoc
In fact it was so pervasive that even the church accepted it [flat earth]. And when they took the position against Galileo

Your mis-information is virtually complete, sweeping as it does across several different fields of knowledge. Galileo's problem with the church was over the solar system, not the shape of the earth. If you're at all curious, I have some useful Galileo links at my homepage.

297 posted on 12/20/2004 6:58:53 AM PST by PatrickHenry (The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: RadioAstronomer

The Conservation of Ignorance Law seems to be operating. I predict personal attacks to follow after the usual Nazi and burn-in-hell threats.

I used to have a few of these guys show up in math classes now and then.


298 posted on 12/20/2004 6:59:21 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Just mythoughts
You have not liked anything I have put forth prior, I have no expectation to change that.

Never said I didn't like it. I may argue against your reasoning and point out where it is flawed, however. Now, without using Scripture, give us a repeatable test for the soul. You claimed you had one.

299 posted on 12/20/2004 6:59:24 AM PST by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: Havoc
Let me help you. Better be careful though. If you actually learn something, that ol' devil's gonna jab you in the tushie with his pitchfork:

The Crime of Galileo: Indictment and Abjuration of 1633. The heresy confession.
Trial of Galileo Galilei in 1633.

300 posted on 12/20/2004 7:04:12 AM PST by PatrickHenry (The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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