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Archaeologists Excited By 500,000-Year-Old Axe Find In Quarry
24hourmuseum.org.uk ^ | 12-16-2004 | David Prudames

Posted on 12/17/2004 11:37:14 AM PST by blam

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To: My2Cents

LOL


81 posted on 12/17/2004 3:11:15 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Congratulations President-Re-Elect George W. Bush!)
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To: blam

read


82 posted on 12/17/2004 3:18:38 PM PST by sawmill trash (If America is to have illegal weeds , lets start with poison ivy !!!!)
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To: blanknoone; ZULU

>>Either way, me thinks this axe dating is off by a zero.

It looks to be a typical Acheulian hand axe, Early Paleolithic, between 700K and 400K in Europe, depending on where you are. What makes you think it is only 50K years old?


83 posted on 12/17/2004 4:28:13 PM PST by Betis70 (I'm only Left Wing when I play hockey)
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To: blam

Robert Byrd used that axe in early Klan rituals, back when he was a teenager.


84 posted on 12/17/2004 4:31:03 PM PST by scottybk ("Pure democracy is 2 tigers and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch." Benj. Franklin)
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To: blam
The lack of material for good quality hand axes in the midlands would probably have been known to our ancestors, therefore these tools could have been brought in ready made.

Hmmmmm. Sounds like capitalism began early with axe traders.

85 posted on 12/17/2004 4:35:03 PM PST by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: jpsb

Humans were making tools longer ago than 500,000 years ago. A site in eastern Asia has post holes (for a structure) dating back about 800,000 years, and tools of a similar vintage were found on an island off SE Asia that, even at that time, was surrounded by the sea. It was too far to swim, meaning that someone crossed over to live there, or to do some hunting.


86 posted on 12/17/2004 4:37:24 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: blam

can someone please tell me how a stone chipped off of a bigger stone that is millions of years old, can be dated as being made 500,000 years ago??? Would not the carbon of the axe be the same as the carbon of the original rock?


87 posted on 12/17/2004 4:47:34 PM PST by fish hawk
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To: fish hawk

Is there any carbon in this stone? Could be, but probably not enough to detectable, and it would have been of inorganic nature and so not useful for carbon dating.


88 posted on 12/17/2004 4:57:09 PM PST by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: RightWhale

Then by what method are they dating it?


89 posted on 12/17/2004 4:59:39 PM PST by fish hawk
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To: Betis70

I am new to these kind of threads. Is there always so much "disbelief" of science and its work? On the crevo threads it is easy to understand that attitude, because evolution hits so hard inside one's soul. But here? Could this "disbelief" be from the same source (religious, strict interpretation of the bible)?


90 posted on 12/17/2004 5:03:39 PM PST by furball4paws ("These are Microbes."... "You have crobes?" BC)
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To: fish hawk

They didn't say, but the usual practice would be to use the usual geologic dating and apply that to things found in that stratum. If someone had actually buried the hatchet there, the hatchet might be of more recent origin, but if it had been lost in the mud it would act like an ordinary rock.


91 posted on 12/17/2004 5:05:59 PM PST by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: blanknoone
I suspect that it is a typo...one too many zeroes. Most anthropologists put the start of homo sapiens at between 120,000 to 500,000 years ago

Homos erectus goes back to more than ONE million years with previous findings in England dating back to 750,000 years ago.

92 posted on 12/17/2004 5:07:03 PM PST by WildTurkey
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To: RobRoy

There was a reciept next to it from WALMART dated June 12, -498,238.


93 posted on 12/17/2004 5:08:03 PM PST by Redcloak ("FOUR MORE BEERS! FOUR MORE BEERS! FOUR MORE BEERS!" -Teresa Heinz Kerry)
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To: jpsb

Please read.

http://www.british-towns.net/history/palaeolithic_lower.asp


94 posted on 12/17/2004 5:08:20 PM PST by WildTurkey
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To: blam

BUMP


95 posted on 12/17/2004 5:09:22 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: furball4paws
"I am new to these kind of threads. Is there always so much "disbelief" of science and its work?"

Generally no. It usually occurs when the title indicates anything older than 6,000 years old.

96 posted on 12/17/2004 5:12:45 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

So....then my guess is a good one.


97 posted on 12/17/2004 5:15:18 PM PST by furball4paws ("These are Microbes."... "You have crobes?" BC)
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To: WildTurkey
"Homos erectus goes back to more than ONE million years with previous findings in England dating back to 750,000 years ago."

I like this one. (...and my ex-wife complained that I never wanted to go anywhere. Here's a family that stayed in the same spot for 9,000 years)

Cheddar Man

98 posted on 12/17/2004 5:19:47 PM PST by blam
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To: RightWhale; fish hawk

Tool typology. See my answer way back in post 19.

C14 is not very useful past about 50,000 years and completely useless on inorganic material (like stone), because it has no carbon.


99 posted on 12/17/2004 5:20:14 PM PST by Betis70 (I'm only Left Wing when I play hockey)
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To: furball4paws

I dunno. It's pretty disappointing actually.


100 posted on 12/17/2004 5:21:48 PM PST by Betis70 (I'm only Left Wing when I play hockey)
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