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Morton Kondracke: Immigration reform is a worthy issue for Bush (CITIZENSHIP for illegal aliens)
Naples Daily News ^ | 12/14/2004 | Morton Kondracke

Posted on 12/15/2004 7:26:47 PM PST by nanak

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To: nj26
If we expect all physical work to be done by illegal immigrants, and we "outsource" all our factories to China, how prepared is our nation going to be if WW2 were to reoccur? You don't win a war with a computer video game.

Are you kidding me? Our military is the most feared force on this earth. Tell me your kidding.

201 posted on 12/16/2004 1:28:23 AM PST by Once-Ler ("He lives in Madison, WI. No wonder he thinks Bush is a conservative!")
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To: bayourod; Travis McGee
There are many reasons why an employer would prefer to hire one person over another other than simply the difference in pay scale. If you were an employer you would know that attitude is one of the most important factors.

The anti-Mexican crowd has never known that kind of responsibility. They hate you for your success as much as the liberals. See post 108.

202 posted on 12/16/2004 1:32:00 AM PST by Once-Ler ("He lives in Madison, WI. No wonder he thinks Bush is a conservative!")
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To: ApesForEvolution
explain how Daschle never delivered squat for S. Dakotans but was elected to the Senate four times by them (one that we know he stole)...

I'm guessing he didn't support shooting border crossers...so that was a plus.

203 posted on 12/16/2004 1:36:59 AM PST by Once-Ler ("He lives in Madison, WI. No wonder he thinks Bush is a conservative!")
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To: ApesForEvolution
What a sh**y way to go through life...

Facing reality is the only way I know how. It's not so bad. You should try it.

204 posted on 12/16/2004 1:38:55 AM PST by Once-Ler ("He lives in Madison, WI. No wonder he thinks Bush is a conservative!")
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To: ApesForEvolution
It's the moral relativists, American Traitor whores and other profiteers that can't deal with what's coming down...

You seem awfully angry for someone who thinks their side is winning.

205 posted on 12/16/2004 1:40:37 AM PST by Once-Ler ("He lives in Madison, WI. No wonder he thinks Bush is a conservative!")
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To: ApesForEvolution
Ok Pimp-Daddy American Traitor...how big will your fine be and how much time will you do when it's your turn P-DAT?

Really angry.

206 posted on 12/16/2004 1:42:37 AM PST by Once-Ler ("He lives in Madison, WI. No wonder he thinks Bush is a conservative!")
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To: Travis McGee
What do you dispute about this?

Mexicans are ignorant and spreaders of disease. Pretty much your whole post. Did I stutter?

207 posted on 12/16/2004 1:52:18 AM PST by Once-Ler ("He lives in Madison, WI. No wonder he thinks Bush is a conservative!")
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To: garandgal
"The" fact is, the only way they pay any type of tax is if they have fraudulent SS numbers...as you well know. And, at ten bucks an hour with no benefits, and likely a family to support, you know perfectly well that they don't come close to covering their cost to society.

You are simply wrong. Any business with a substantial workforce is not going to risk the business by not filing a W2 and I-9 for every employee they have. This requires them to pay the employer share of taxes and to withhold the employees share. You simply do not know what you are talking about and you certainly have never owned or operated a business that employs others.

There was an whiny article here in the paper last week about a "poor" illegal teenager that needs a $40,000 surgery (not for a life-threatening problem); his father's "health benefits" at work won't cover it...because he has the job under a false name!

Why would an employer pay into an employee's insurance if they thought the employee would not be covered? That makes no sense at all, unless you think employers are so evil they trick the employee to benefit their rich buddies in the insurance company. Do you even question what you read?

Those who hire them are, quite simply, felons...thieves. I don't particularly blame the illegals...I blame the worthless employers who pawn their business costs onto the rest of us. Furthermore, I blame the unethical, immoral politicians who allow them to get away with it.

I don't blame employers for providing jobs. I thank God some people have the guts to put their savings on the line to start a business that benefits others. I don't blame politicians who do what their constituents demand, and I don't blame voters who return them to office.

208 posted on 12/16/2004 2:09:41 AM PST by Once-Ler ("He lives in Madison, WI. No wonder he thinks Bush is a conservative!")
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To: primeval patriot
Will I get free medical, affirmative action, governmental and commercial services in English, in-state tuition and 5-10 times the going wage of the United States?

No but you might get shot by a drunk redneck in camouflage.

209 posted on 12/16/2004 2:14:58 AM PST by Once-Ler ("He lives in Madison, WI. No wonder he thinks Bush is a conservative!")
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To: nanak

bump


210 posted on 12/16/2004 2:48:19 AM PST by Focused Fury
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To: bayourod

"According to the Gallup poll poster here a few days ago, only 1% responded that illegal immigration was their primary issue."
So! The intimation here seems to be that if illegal immigration is not our number one issue it is irrelevant. Duh!
The war against terrorism is and should be the number one issue with the most of us. But, illegal immigration is a close second. Understandably, many seniors rate their social security benefits number one and many women prioritize the abortion issue.
Most questionaires that I have recieved from politicians feature a pre-selected top five issues poll and ask you to arrange these issues according to your own priority. Incredibly, illegal immigration never makes that list! I take a pen and place it in the number two position. But, I wonder how many perceive this omission and correct it. It is a stealth issue that they do not wish to contend with. We have to keep shoving this issue back in their faces!
Don't be misled, our numbers are legend and we are fed up!


211 posted on 12/16/2004 3:19:25 AM PST by Focused Fury
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To: bayourod
There is a lot of misinformation being put out by the professional fund raising groups and repeated by the anti-immigrant chorus on FR.

There is a lot of propaganda being put out by anti-American organizations such as La Raza, LULAC, MALDEF, and MEChA, and repeated on FR by people like you.

212 posted on 12/16/2004 3:30:37 AM PST by usadave
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To: bayourod
You have a lot of reading to do, I see. This article by harvard economist George Borjas is a good place to start:

http://ksghome.harvard.edu/~GBorjas/Papers/Economic_Benefits.pdf

If you doubt their value, try going one week without driving on any roads built in part by illegal immigrants; eating any food picked, plucked, processed, cooked, served or transported by illegal laborers; using any appliances, equipment, or vehicles which have component parts made in jobbers' shops employing illegal immigrants; entering any building or house built in part by illegal laborers, etc...

Americans did these kinds of jobs before. They can do them again. They don't do them now because illegals are willing to accept wages Americans won't. And no, use of illegal alien labor does not significantly affect the price of these things because labor is makes up a tiny portion of the costs, and that was true even before the illegal alien influx.

The vast majority of Americans realize the contributions of illegal immigrants and don't consider them to be a problem.

Right, which is why poll after poll shows upward of 80% of Americans want and end to illegal immigration and a reduction in legal immigration. Your ideology appears to blind you to reality, it appears. You ought to read Flynn's recent book, Intellectual Morons.

213 posted on 12/16/2004 4:49:42 AM PST by curiosity
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To: skeeter

I'm sure ol Mort has a nice condo in another country if his ideology backfires. Nice dependable, docile, inexpensive nannies for the Whores of the OBL, and third world pestilence for the rest of us.


214 posted on 12/16/2004 4:49:53 AM PST by junta (junta, "is one uppity cracker")
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To: bayourod

Why don't you just move to Mexico? Sounds like they've already got the exact culture you have in mind. An unlimited supply of coolie laborers --- so much they're desperate to rid themselves of many of them. Why be in the USA where you might have to pay these chumps $3 an hour when you could live in Mexico and pay them $0.30 an hour? And they've got the racial stratification you adore already firmly in place.


215 posted on 12/16/2004 5:01:37 AM PST by FITZ
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To: bayourod
The vast majority of Americans realize the contributions of illegal immigrants and don't consider them to be a problem.

Bayourod's Big lie of the day!!!!

Many polls showing Americans know the cost of unbridled immigration.

216 posted on 12/16/2004 5:03:18 AM PST by raybbr
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To: Once-Ler; garandgal
You are simply wrong. Any business with a substantial workforce is not going to risk the business by not filing a W2 and I-9 for every employee they have.

Nice lawyer-like quote. They file the forms but don't care if the worker is legal or not. They never find out if the person is actually who they say they are. They don't check that. Just that the number "exists".

Why would an employer pay into an employee's insurance if they thought the employee would not be covered?

Of course, it doesn't make sense. But, they do it anyway.

217 posted on 12/16/2004 5:09:46 AM PST by raybbr
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To: Once-Ler; COEXERJ145
Once-Ler:

I like the post you have on personal profile regarding the immigration issue. I think it is very logical and very well thought. I hope that you post it as a thread.

218 posted on 12/16/2004 5:20:20 AM PST by jveritas
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To: Once-Ler
Another keeper. Fatalis says Job = Slave.

No, Fatalis says:

Defenders on economic grounds of the peuculiar institution of slavery =
Defenders on economic grounds of the peuculiar institution of illegal aliens.

Whatever jobs might require guest workers ought to go to a guest worker program for those who've obeyed our laws. Illegal aliens should not be rewarded.

219 posted on 12/16/2004 5:21:46 AM PST by Fatalis
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To: Once-Ler
Most Americans are not aware that legal immigration takes years and does not fill the need for labor. When the demand for workers is met then the supply will dwindle. Work permits solve much of this problem.

Tancredo has proposed a guest worker program to meet those labor needs without legalizing any illegal aliens.

220 posted on 12/16/2004 5:23:54 AM PST by Fatalis
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