Posted on 12/15/2004 11:15:24 AM PST by jb6
"This is not a satisfying relationship," he said. "Poland must feel appreciated."
I’m not entirely sure, but I think he’s asking the US to #*!* him.
Dude, try rubbing us a little. And wear something other than the heavy winter overcoat.
HAHAHA!!!
This is an LA Times article, reprinted by the Manchester Union. Knowing the source, it ain't worthy of wiping my butt with, much less wrapping a fish.
That’s the sort of thinking Bush has allowed to continue for FAR too long.
A lot of countries seem to think we’re in a relationship of equals. That is NOT true. Our relationship is a parent/child relationship and they need to learn their proper place in it.
It's not a good idea to drink heavily if you're intending to post on the internet.
"The U.S. Embassy in Warsaw charges Poles $100 per visa application whether the document to travel to America is granted or not. "
Not to mention having to travel from the corners of Poland to Warsaw, to stand in line all night in below freezing temperatures, just to apply for the visa!
I don't blame the Poles for their anger. They have been screwed by the West enough times in their history.
What an asinine thing to say about our true and good friends, the Poles! Didn't your momma ever teach you any manners?
Smart. Let's trash ONE OF OUR ONLY allies.
You're nuts if you think this is some kinda "parent-child" relationship. Poland doesn't owe the US squat. If anything, the US owes Poland for lending them such strong leaders like Generals Kosciuszko and Pulaski who fought for American independence during the American Revolution.
And Britain owes Poland plenty for the many Polish RAF pilots that helped during the Battle of Britain. And what was their reward...Yalta.
Bush doesn't want to give Poles visas, cuz they might take away jobs from all the Mexican illegals who snuck across the border. Even worse, they might be better workers.
Good logic!
I'm all for rewarding the Poles. They have shown they are our true friends, and we need to do the same for them.
I think that these countries need to stop looking for financial handouts that they ridiculously label as “signs of respect.”
We are engaged in a war to save western civilization from the fundamentalist Islamic wackos who are hell-bent on destroying everything it stands for. Australia, the UK, Poland, Italy, etc. need to recognize that and fight willingly and bravely by our side in this noble and inevitable battle.
If they’re just signing up for the handouts, we don’t really need them. We’ll save the world by ourselves. They can cower down beside France and watch.
That said, I don’t think this article accurately reflects the dominant viewpoint of the Polish people. It’s just standard pot-stirring from the liberal US media.
"We are engaged in a war to save western civilization from the fundamentalist Islamic wackos who are hell-bent on destroying everything it stands for. Australia, the UK, Poland, Italy, etc. need to recognize that and fight willingly and bravely by our side in this noble and inevitable battle."
"If they’re just signing up for the handouts, we don’t really need them."
I would agree with your remarks. But what's missing from our foreign policy is a simple connection between rewarding those who support us versus shunning those who abuse us. It seems to me that countries like Germany, France, Russia, China, et.al., even Mexco and Canuckistan, get all sorts of attention and special considerations when it comes to economic and defense matters, when all they do is take big sh*ts on the US at every opportunity. Why not support those countries that support us? It just makes sense.
You're judging a people you know nothing about.
If you reread the article, you can see that the issue is mainly about the visas. You might have an argument if Poland got the visa requirement removed and they were still complaining, but that's not the case. Poland hasn't even been given that.
Secondly, Iraq is hardly a war to save western civilzation. Gimme a break!
France and Germany have no visa requirement, but Poland does. This is the issue!
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And let's never forget Jan Sobieski and his hussars:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna
If 70% of the people were against the Iraq CAMPAIGN (not war, which includes Afghanistan among other places), then Poland is at heart just another France.
But I'm skeptical about that 70%, and that they're that upset over visas. Maybe over oil contracts, but it may also be that Allawi & Co. are now calling the shots on that and US doesn't have as much say as before.
"Secondly, Iraq is hardly a war to save western civilzation. Gimme a break!"
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Then what IS it about?
Great point!
Europe might be an Islamic continent if it wasn't for Poland at the Battle of Vienna.
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