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Exodus as Dutch middle class seek new life
Daily Telegraph (UK) ^ | 12/11/2004 | Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

Posted on 12/10/2004 8:25:39 PM PST by 1066AD

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Goes with an earlier FR post from same source on same subject. Or see http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/12/11/wneth11.xml
1 posted on 12/10/2004 8:25:39 PM PST by 1066AD
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To: 1066AD
So the Dutch are fleeing to Australia & New Zealand. I'm not quite sure how that's going to help them in the long run. Any liberal socialist country with generous welfare is in danger of harboring a nasty wahhabi population.

OT: Love your screen-name BTW. Avenge King Harold!


2 posted on 12/10/2004 8:36:10 PM PST by valkyrieanne (card-carrying South Park Republican)
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To: 1066AD
A shrill provocateur, Mr van Gogh was not to everybody's taste. He once filmed kittens being mangled to death in a washing machine, which he thought was hilarious.

That puts a different light on his assassination. I hope it hurt a lot.

3 posted on 12/10/2004 8:38:53 PM PST by John Jorsett
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To: 1066AD

There's nothing wrong with Holland that 2.6 million Afrikaner immigrants couldn't fix.


4 posted on 12/10/2004 8:39:36 PM PST by Rytwyng (we're here, we're Huguenots, get used to us)
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To: valkyrieanne
Canada - useless. Australia and NZ are NOT taking any new immigrants. Aussie friends tell me the largest "illegal" immigrant problem the Aussies have are Americans!
5 posted on 12/10/2004 8:42:18 PM PST by -=Wing_0_Walker=-
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To: 1066AD

SO the Gutch are running. They Best return to their country and trow out the Socialists, Physically if Necessary, and take back their country.


6 posted on 12/10/2004 8:42:59 PM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Defending America)
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To: 1066AD
"This was our 9/11. It was the moment the Netherlands lost its naivety."

It didn't take long for America to regain its naivety.

7 posted on 12/10/2004 8:49:15 PM PST by Dont Mention the War (W2: Coming January 20, 2005! Be There!)
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"People can come and live here illegally and get payments. How is that possible?"

Just ask George Bush.

8 posted on 12/10/2004 8:50:46 PM PST by Oatka
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To: Dont Mention the War

Norm Mineta never lost his, and he's still there.


9 posted on 12/10/2004 8:52:18 PM PST by oceanview
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To: Rytwyng

Now there's a thought but I bet they'd be denied visas these days.


10 posted on 12/10/2004 8:55:03 PM PST by 1066AD
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To: 1066AD

The Netherlands is in a death spiral. The good folks are leaving. The bad folks are arriving. Good luck.


11 posted on 12/10/2004 8:55:05 PM PST by Brilliant
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"There's a feeling of injustice that if you do things right, if you work hard and pay your taxes, you're punished, and those who don't are rewarded. People can come and live here illegally and get payments. How is that possible?

The scales fall from the eyes. The awakening. The anagnorisis.

Well, at least she's smarter than the average Californian.

12 posted on 12/10/2004 9:02:26 PM PST by DeFault User
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To: 1066AD
There's a feeling of injustice that if you do things right, if you work hard and pay your taxes, you're punished, and those who don't are rewarded. People can come and live here illegally and get payments. How is that possible?

Same thing is happening here but the politicans never step foot outside their limo's and gated communities to notice.
13 posted on 12/10/2004 9:10:43 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: 1066AD
...a multicultural experiment long touted as a model for the world, but increasingly a warning of how good intentions can go wrong.

Now that the Dutch have screwed up their own country and are jumping ship like rats at sea, who is to say that these same socialist leaning Netherlanders will not try to screw up the countries they immigrate to?

14 posted on 12/10/2004 9:29:30 PM PST by Noachian (A Democrat, by definition, is a Socialist.)
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To: 1066AD
What has the Netherlands suffered that we in the US haven't experienced? They run to Canada and other countries that are already half way to the state of crisis the Netherlands is in...how much sense does that make? It's not the country, you Dutch...it's the people you're letting into the country.
15 posted on 12/10/2004 9:35:29 PM PST by RavenATB
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To: 1066AD
They see things going on every day in this country that are quite unbelievable. They see no clear message from the government, and they are afraid it's becoming irreversible, that's why they are leaving

Well, too bad. Who voted to keep "the government" in power that allowed this cesspool to develop? Moose Limbs have NEVER been known to assimilate into cultures other than the Moose Limb culture. This could have been, and probably was, easily predicted. The problem where the Dutch are concerned is that they just didn't have enough square footage to allow them to ignore the problems for as long as some other Euro countries have - but who are next.

16 posted on 12/10/2004 9:36:35 PM PST by PLK
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To: everyone

I certainly sympathize with these people, but they should stand and fight. Running doesn't work, because the nature of the Left (and of the "civil rights/multiculturalist"
ideology) is to leave no one alone, anywhere. There is no escape. We stand and fight where we live, or we lose everywhere.


17 posted on 12/10/2004 9:41:18 PM PST by California Patriot
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To: 1066AD
"There's a feeling of injustice that if you do things right, if you work hard and pay your taxes, you're punished, and those who don't are rewarded. People can come and live here illegally and get payments. How is that possible?

Great description of socialism.

"It's not why we are leaving: the reason is that Australia feels different, it feels like a place where we would like to grow old," she said.

It's different because Australia is only in the early stages of becoming a flaming socialist cesspool like Holland is. Give it time. The more it's infected by the fleeing rats from Holland, carrying the seeds of the political equivalent of the bubonic plague, the faster its fate will become the same.

It's just like the Americans who flee from the inner city to the suburbs, only to take their problems with them & spread the blight - kids who take the inner city culture with them and corrupt the suburb kids even more, parents who immediately begin to demand the same level of "services" they "enjoyed" in the city, only to raise taxes, increase government dependency & laziness, reduce the quality of life, and bring down everyone around them. Human viruses all.

18 posted on 12/10/2004 10:08:05 PM PST by MCH
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Perhaps, but most Boers & Afrikaners < not necessarily the same thing see: Boer / Afrikaner or White: Which Are You? > are not able to emigrate. Many can not afford it, though most are still far too connected to the region to just leave. Furthermore those who do emigrate, tend to go to places such as Australia < like the aforementioned Perth > & even London England believe it or not.

There is a somewhat overlooked fact here in the West concerning the cultural & historic difference between the Afrikaner of Cape Dutch (ie: Western Cape origin) & those of Voortrekker & Trekboer descent. < ie: those whose descendents would many populate the Boer Republics in the north. > For more see also: Who Are The Boers. Though this link only mentions the Boers of the Republics shortly before the second Anglo-Boer War.

There was a Boer emigration from the South African region after the Anglo-Boer War. Starting in 1903 the largest group of Boer emigrants went to Argentina where a large Afrikaans speaking Boer community still exists.

Around the same time another group of Boers went to East Africa. < in what was later called Kenya >

A third group went to the American South West. Most of these descendents were absorbed into the English speaking population of the region.

Texans with the surnames Viljoen (from Villion) < Francois Villion was the first French Huguenot refugee from France who settled in the Cape in 1671. > or Snyman (from Sennayement also of French origin) or Du Toit (also of French origin) < the French1 ancestors of the Boer / Afrikaners accounts to about 23 % of their total genes > are most likely the descendents of these emigrant Boers who arrived in the region shortly after the Anglo-Boer War.

Furthermore: some Westerners erroneously regard the Boers as "white colonials", but the fact of the matter is that the Boers are indigenous to the region.

The fact that their history goes back to 1652 & that their earliest ancestors began breaking ties to Europe before they began trekking into the expanding frontiers -starting in the 1690s & throughout the 1700s- long before encountering the first Bantu group (Xhosas) should be ample enough evidence that they are indeed an indigenous people & culture to the region.

19 posted on 12/10/2004 10:12:10 PM PST by Republic_of_Secession.
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To: John Jorsett

I almost want to agree, except it would make me glad an Islamofascist committed another murder.


20 posted on 12/11/2004 1:46:14 AM PST by Terpfen (Gore/Sharpton '08: it's Al-right!)
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