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RUMSFELD SET UP; REPORTER PLANTED QUESTIONS WITH SOLDIER (DRUDGE SIREN)
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Posted on 12/09/2004 9:22:17 AM PST by Nascardude

Edited on 12/09/2004 10:05:10 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: Nascardude

Domestic enemy Pitt's pre-meditated IED (Internal Enemies Device) ties directly to foreign enemies IEDs.


1,081 posted on 12/10/2004 4:14:55 AM PST by PGalt
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To: PGalt

Please don't crucify me for asking this, but was it a legitimate question, regardless of who asked it and why?




1,082 posted on 12/10/2004 4:24:58 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (60 votes and the world changes.)
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To: mountainfolk

I believe he was giving a honest question but at the same time he was giving off information about our vulnerablities. Now the enemy knows to attack National Guard Humvees at certain areas because they lacked armor. What happen in WWII? What was production liked? Did our troops have everything after being downsized after WWI? No, they have to produce it. All our industies went into war effort. Can we do this today with current labor laws and union rules?
I'm sure all through history our fighting men did not have everything they needed. I'm sure the Flying Fortresses were not armored. The guys who sat in the domes underneath these planes didn't have any protection except guts and he didn't announce it to the world about how vulnerable he was.


1,083 posted on 12/10/2004 4:35:59 AM PST by Milligan
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Could the question/concern have been transmitted on a piece of paper to Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld? We are at war.


1,084 posted on 12/10/2004 4:41:50 AM PST by PGalt
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To: JustAnotherOkie

I have to say that when I was in the Army, we discussed the non-existent door and back protection on that slow as molasses
humvee. Even the old blazers at least had some sheet metal between you and small arms fire. In the humvee you can forget making a hasty exit; you basically became a very slow moving sitting duck. They would have been better off giving the old blazers some real off road tires and polycarbonate windows and
armor plated doors. I believe the company that produced the humvee was the same one that came up with such unforgettable classics as the AMC pacer and the gremlin. I'm all for american companies getting the business of the armed services but surely they could have found something faster-stronger-lighter than that slow diesel humvee (and did I mention they break down alot?).
Let's look at some vehicles that are better- GM duramax turbodiesel with allison 5-speed (with perf. chip) crew cab 4x4 truck. (Fast, reliable,comfortable,pull anything,uses off the shelf parts).
Nissan Titan crew cab 4x4. 305 hp, reliable, fast comfortable.
Ford powerstroke diesel in 4x4 crew cab.
Any other suggestions?



1,085 posted on 12/10/2004 4:43:34 AM PST by Rocketwolf68
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To: Eagle Eye

I am interested in protecting the troops, but if anyone believes this reporter gives a rat's rear end about protecting our troops, I have a bridge to sell you. Rumsfield opening himself up for questions - I give him credit for that, and I believe it's a legitimate issue raised. And I don't fault the Guardsman for asking the question - it's how he asked it I have a problem with - the disrepect he showed - and it's that disrespect the media loves.

The media and the terrorists have less than two months to derail the elections in Iraq and that is what this is about - undermining the war effort - period. The guardsman allowed himself to be used so the reporter could have a "gotcha moment" against Rumsfield. I haven't read all the 1000 replies before mine, but if in the end our troops are more protected, then that is the bottom line and will be a good thing. The bad thing is how this was carried out as it seems to me, we have just emphasized even more to our enemies what our weaknesses are and this might even endanger our troops more and it may create the impression of dissension in our troops against Rumsfield and against the war, which might embolden our enemies more.

But then isn't that really what the reporter wants anyway, and if that sounds a bit cynical, well, just look how the media relishes reporting deaths of our troops. Our media is our enemy, and they aren't even trying to hide it anymore as they've given us plenty of reason to question their motives and agenda. And whether to undermine our war effort and aid and abet our enemy - or whether purely for self-serving reasons - the reporter's damage has been done - but if in the end this helps our troops to be more protected, then that is what matters most. But the way this has gone down was intended, by the reporter, to undermine Rumsfield and undermine our war effort. But, in the end, this just might backfire on the reporter as hopefully our troops will become more protected, which will help the war effort by maybe helping the morale of the troops and by reducing troop casualties.

The law of unintended consequences, Mr. Reporter - careful what you wish for.


1,086 posted on 12/10/2004 4:47:26 AM PST by Texas Deb
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To: Nascardude
Letter to Editor and Publisher:

Editor Backs Embed in Rumsfeld Incident, but Criticizes Aftermath


Joe Strupp
Editor and Publisher

Thanks for the very informative and understandable article.

"I think he was doing what he felt he was embedded to do: tell the stories of the soldiers of this unit,"

Seems as though in this Me Too Generation that the reporter felt more inclined to take advantage of the situation. I don't believe that Pitts felt any obligation to the country that gives him the opportunity to be a reporter.

It seems from your excellent story that the only regrets by the editor is that Pitts got caught up in his Dan Rather moment. It was OK from his reasoning to try embarrassing the Secretary Of Defense in a public forum.

"He is there to write stories, not make news himself," Griscom said of Pitts. The editor added that the recipient of the e-mail, whom he would not identify, should not have passed it along.

Personally I do not trust the Main Stream Media as a totally reliable source for information. Reporters no longer report but want to shape the news to their opinions.

As an example the New York Times has sold down the river, years and years of credibility to help shape the news to their owners twisted opinions.

Maybe it's time to remove those embedded reporters who do not feel any responsibility to their own country.
1,087 posted on 12/10/2004 4:52:24 AM PST by OKIEDOC (LL THE)
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To: billbears
I'm not the one talking about any problems. Many here seem perfectly fine with discussing any weakness preceived, thereby giving the enemy targets that the know where to hit. in other times this would be considered treason. And as a result i wonder how many of our young people will die. Please don't talk about how much you care about the troops if you are willing to endanger their lives this way.

I am not an Islamofascist lover as apparently you are. I don't ascribe humanity to people that saw off peoples heads. attack women and children in marketplaces trying to by a little food. No I don't think the terrorists are human.

1,088 posted on 12/10/2004 4:57:58 AM PST by marty60
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To: Doctor Raoul
Hey Doc

I suspected that to. He was just to smooth. Most soldiers would have said. Where is our armor?

1,089 posted on 12/10/2004 5:04:11 AM PST by marty60
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To: faithincowboys

There was some applause, as I've noted. I'll not hype or under-report the response.

I'm being real.


1,090 posted on 12/10/2004 5:05:58 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: Eagle Eye

That means your comprehension skills need tweaking.


1,091 posted on 12/10/2004 5:06:35 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: billbears

"So I take it by your statement you support government control of the media in certain cases. Yep, that's a conservative position..."

It's not about government control of the media. It's about media not using common sense which they seem to have little use for.

It's also about reporters who are actually supporting an antiwar agenda and a left wing bias in their reporting.

I don't think we should control these reporters, I think we should shoot them.


1,092 posted on 12/10/2004 5:07:20 AM PST by OKIEDOC (LL THE)
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To: PGalt

The answer to that is probably yes. Let's assume for a moment that the reporter didn't feed the question and the enlisted man asks it on his own, does this violate the chain of command?

We are at war and Rummy showing up in a war zone and asking for feedback wasn't exactly the best move. I love Rummy and think he is doing a fantastic job. However, saying that, he opened himself up to this and knowing that some reporter will probably try this, still let it happen.


1,093 posted on 12/10/2004 5:08:16 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (60 votes and the world changes.)
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To: Milligan
***I'm sure all through history our fighting men did not have everything they needed. ***

I had this thought last night about WW2 - thanks for posting it. Although there is not a one of us who doesn't want our guys to have absolutely any and every thing to keep them safe - it is impossible to put them in a bubble. Maybe one day technology will do just that - but yet and not in this war. God bless and keep our fighting men/women.

1,094 posted on 12/10/2004 5:13:06 AM PST by daybreakcoming
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To: EQAndyBuzz

The issue was legitimate. I have not criticized it, though I correctly and accurately noted from day one (that would be the day before yesterday; the day before the reporter's role in forming and framing the question---and making sure it got on mike, which strikes me as unfair to other troops with questions, but I disgress), that the media was grossly mischaracterizing Rumsfeld's response.

Some with standing (in the service, over there, etc) have noted the soldier's phrasing bordered on disrepectful and antagonistic and I think that is a fair assessment, but my point has always been that the media has focused on "the question" and completely ignored "the answer" as well as looking into facts surrounding that answer.


1,095 posted on 12/10/2004 5:14:03 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: EQAndyBuzz
We are at war and Rummy showing up in a war zone and asking for feedback wasn't exactly the best move. I love Rummy and think he is doing a fantastic job. However, saying that, he opened himself up to this and knowing that some reporter will probably try this, still let it happen

Huh? Rummy going to the troops to ask questions is what a Defense Sec. does.

Stop making excuses for the reporter who tried to mainpulate the honest questions to push his anti-America agenda.

1,096 posted on 12/10/2004 5:15:32 AM PST by Dane (Trial lawyers are the tapeworms to wealth creating society)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Let's assume for a moment that the reporter didn't feed the question and the enlisted man asks it on his own, does this violate the chain of command?

That I do not know. I do know that if I were a young soldier given the opportunity to speak to the Secretary of Defense, I would not have asked that question. It would be a little bit of intimidation but mostly out of respect.

I do appreciate YOUR questions however.

1,097 posted on 12/10/2004 5:34:53 AM PST by PGalt
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To: cyncooper

How's that koolaid taste? I haven't had mine yet.


1,098 posted on 12/10/2004 5:37:08 AM PST by Eagle Eye (Some say the glass is half empty; some it's half full. I say, "Are you going to finish that?")
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To: cyncooper

How's that koolaid taste? I haven't had mine yet.


1,099 posted on 12/10/2004 5:37:13 AM PST by Eagle Eye (Some say the glass is half empty; some it's half full. I say, "Are you going to finish that?")
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To: Eagle Eye

I don't drink kool-aid.

I am accurate and honest and perceptive.


1,100 posted on 12/10/2004 5:38:42 AM PST by cyncooper
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