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Mothers dilemma: which son should I save? (two sons, each needs one of her kidneys)
The Scotsman ^ | 12/6/04 | ALISON HARDIE

Posted on 12/06/2004 12:33:05 PM PST by dead

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To: dead

A truly heartbreaking position for a parent to be in. However, the mother is making contradictory statements about how it would be easy to save one of one, but impossible to save one of two. Were I in such a postion, you can be damn certain I would chose one or the other. To let both die because you can't save both is wrong.

The solution to the scarcity of organs is to allow people to sell them. It is ironic that the people most likely to oppose such a system are the same one that laud the sanctity of one's body when the issue is abortion.


41 posted on 12/06/2004 1:55:46 PM PST by Yancey Ward
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To: fritzz

no prob, we wouldn't even know about this if it didn't fit someone's agenda.


42 posted on 12/06/2004 1:56:17 PM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it with something for you))
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To: dead
It will also increase pressure on the government to overhaul the law after attempts at both Holyrood and Westminster to introduce a system of "presumed consent" were thrown out by Labour ministers.

This is the real meaning of this piece, the dilemma faced by those who think that the state has an obligation to order not just the lives of their subjects but their deaths and disposal as well.

The writer follows the standard line of introducing the reader to a very sympathetic person, fleshes out this poster person and then slams home the sword of guilt.

The method seemingly works for it is used to justify criminal acts by thugs as well as members of state from the punishment of ordinary people for acts of defense to the reward offered for reporting those few sane who still object.

The poor woman illustrated here cannot possibly make such a decision without harm but sickness is never fair.

43 posted on 12/06/2004 2:06:12 PM PST by Old Professer (The accidental trumps the purposeful in every endeavor attended by the incompetent.)
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To: Constantine XIII

Sorry...you misunderstood.I am not critisizing the mother.I made a observation of her statement,saying she would sacrifice herself and immediately contradicting it.
I sympathize with her.I just think there is more recourse than this article would have you think.


44 posted on 12/06/2004 2:13:03 PM PST by loboinok (GUN CONTROL IS HITTING WHAT YOU AIM AT.)
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To: monday

She can give up both of her kidney's and go on dialysis and wait for a donor for herself. Dialysis works quite well. I have firsthand experience.


45 posted on 12/06/2004 2:35:00 PM PST by Shellback Chuck (Hey John, whose your daddy?)
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To: dead

This is a horrendous predicament, butr consider: If their kidneys are so difficult to match, isn't it likely that at some point a single kidney might become available from some other donor? How do they decide who gets it in that case? Isn't it the same decision? Would she turn it down because it would only save one of the boys?


46 posted on 12/06/2004 2:39:47 PM PST by TexasKamaAina
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To: Shellback Chuck
Why do that though? Is she more capable of being on dialysis than her sons? Who is going to pay for the extra operation and why in the world would anyone think that three people having kidney transplants would be better than only having two people having kidney transplants?

The idea that she should harm her health for no discernible advantage for her sons strikes me as absurd. If she really wants to get on with it, have her sons play a game of rock, scissors, paper for her spare kidney. Then she won't have to decide.
47 posted on 12/06/2004 2:55:33 PM PST by monday
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To: fritzz; camle

The movie is called "The Big Carnival" with an alternate title of "Ace in the Hole."


48 posted on 12/06/2004 3:00:31 PM PST by EllaMinnow (For the first time in over 20 years, I'm not represented by Bob Graham! Go MEL!! Viva Bush!)
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To: sandbar
**As is Shannon. And might I remind our readers that a main character in Gone with the Wind was named Ashley.**

Yes, indeed. :o)

51 posted on 12/06/2004 3:07:59 PM PST by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: EllaMinnow

Thanks.


52 posted on 12/06/2004 3:18:35 PM PST by fritzz (Even if you are on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there." Will Rogers)
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To: TexasKamaAina

She said she would then give a kidney to the other boy.

I'm with the other posters in saying that I think I would have to give up both of mine and go on dialysis myself.


53 posted on 12/06/2004 7:15:50 PM PST by texasflower (Liberty can change habits. ~ President George W. Bush 10/08/04)
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To: dead
They should go to China, where they have a very well established kidney transplant service, and no morals or ethics whatsoever.

Condemned prisoners there provide kidneys to people from all over Asia-- fresh, too! The boys could choose from a catalog of prisoners, to be executed to order when their blood type matches a recipient's.

If no match were found, the Chinese surgeons would be just as happy to take both of Mom's kidneys and put her on dialysis.

-ccm

54 posted on 12/06/2004 8:25:48 PM PST by ccmay (Question Diversity)
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To: ccmay

Hello, yesterday I read this in our Dutch Paper "De Telegraaf" and I was shocked, is there a way to give my organ if I have the same blood group as those 2 kids? Them I'm able to rescue those lives.. can somebody tell me if it's possible? and how I can come in conversation with them?

I come from the Netherlands so maybe my english is not good as well.

You can also contact me at msn: mrbonnema@hotmail.com

Thanks for the information


55 posted on 12/14/2004 3:32:03 AM PST by mauriceNL
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