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Prodigy, 12, Compared To Mozart
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Posted on 11/29/2004 8:27:37 AM PST by MaineRepublic

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To: MaineRepublic

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41 posted on 11/29/2004 8:51:47 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Truth, Justice and the Texan Way)
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To: seraphMTH
Cute story, but frankly, his music is CRAP. Typical post-modernist classical noise.

It's more polite to say that you don't respond to his music. I, on the other hand, was deeply impressed, both by the lovely and elegant fugue of his they played on the piano (written when he was eight), and the large symphonic piece they performed.

I didn't appreciate much classical music (especially modern) until I had a good music theory course in college. That was a revelation to me. Now I don't just listen to the Beatles or metalcore, or just Beethoven or Bach. I also listen to Ravel, Stravinsky, Scriabin, Varese, John Adams and Alan Hovhaness.

I am eager to hear what he composes when he grows up. They said he is not the kind of prodigy who appears once a generation. He's the kind of prodigy who hasn't appeared in 200 years.

42 posted on 11/29/2004 8:52:13 AM PST by megatherium
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To: MaineRepublic

Never watch that damned show, either..........but I DID watch this piece. The kid is simply amazing; just amazing. No other word for it.


43 posted on 11/29/2004 8:52:21 AM PST by RightOnline
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To: international american
Humor break...one of the funniest lines about music was uttered years ago by Tom Lehrer at a concert in NYC....( either you know who he is, or you don't)..."It is a sobering thought for me to realize that when Mozart was my age, he had already been dead for 20 years.."
44 posted on 11/29/2004 8:52:55 AM PST by ken5050
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To: BritishBulldog
"Cute story, but frankly, his music is CRAP." Yeah? So what have you composed lately? How does it compare and how many people have ever described you as a prodigy? ;o) actually, composition is not my thing, but violin performance is. Many people described me as a prodigy when I performed the Bruch concerto with the Jacksonville Symphony at the age of 11. Many people also described similar praises when I won the State of Florida advanced violin competition at the age of 13 (beating out everyone up to the age of 18). IMO, the last great classical composer was Samuel Barber.
45 posted on 11/29/2004 8:54:07 AM PST by seraphMTH
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To: MaineRepublic

Being a prodigy is helpful, but it does not mean that his compositions will be good. While Mozart was a prodigy, most great composers were not so gifted. They used hard work, re-writes, alcohol, prayer, and research to give the the world their beautiful gifts. Think Tchaikovsky, Brahms, Bach, Handel, Scubert, etc. etc.


46 posted on 11/29/2004 8:55:33 AM PST by pissant
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To: seraphMTH

Oh, OK, we understand now. Prodigy jealousy. Can't have the next young phenom stealing the old prodigy's spotlight can we?

Really, you would think a prodigy would be above this.


47 posted on 11/29/2004 8:55:48 AM PST by MaineRepublic (Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. -- Euripides)
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To: seraphMTH

""Cute story, but frankly, his music is CRAP." Yeah? So what have you composed lately? How does it compare and how many people have ever described you as a prodigy? ;o) actually, composition is not my thing, but violin performance is. Many people described me as a prodigy when I performed the Bruch concerto with the Jacksonville Symphony at the age of 11. Many people also described similar praises when I won the State of Florida advanced violin competition at the age of 13 (beating out everyone up to the age of 18). IMO, the last great classical composer was Samuel Barber."


So....what you done since?


48 posted on 11/29/2004 8:56:59 AM PST by BritishBulldog (New Labour - Putting the "National" back into "Socialist")
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To: MaineRepublic

Wow, thanks for posting this!


49 posted on 11/29/2004 8:57:20 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: BritishBulldog
So what have you composed lately? etc..

Non Sequitur. One does not, for example, have to be an expert bagpiper in order to discern whether the pipes are being played well or badly ...

50 posted on 11/29/2004 8:57:52 AM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: seraphMTH

< Don't believe me? Here's a 10-minute radio show with his "9/11 tribute" composition, being performed by the Pittsburgh Symphony. >

Bump for later. I'm a skeptic, too. But then, I'm not a fan of 20th century clssical either...except for Copeland.


51 posted on 11/29/2004 8:59:21 AM PST by GOP_Proud ("Get your hands off him!" (President George W. Bush))
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To: montag813
that's nice, but too bad he has no actual talent to go along with this.

Your comments are so ridiculous (and irrationally harsh) that that they only deserve the comment that they're ridiculous.

Mozart didn't find much compositional success until he reached his mid-20's.

The fact that you do or do not like Mozart at age 10 is irrelevant, he was not in touch with the populace or the times. He did not resonate with then-popular conceptions of "good" music until much later.

As I implied earlier, Jay's now in the process of developing that same emotive breadth necessary for an artist to connect with his audience. No one would rationally expect a 12 year old kid to possess that sense, and no one would expect his intuitive musical skills to be "mature" and in synch with his audience.

I don't really understand your harsh rhetoric. It's kind of wierd.

52 posted on 11/29/2004 9:00:17 AM PST by angkor
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To: seraphMTH

LOL.

You have told us much about yourself and your musical tastes, very little about the music in question.

You are predisposed to NOT care for the music the 12 y/o composes ("Typical post-modernist classical noise"), presumably because you care more for, what, the Baroque offerings of Bach, the Classical era Mozart, or the Romantic era Beethoven? Not terribly surprising that you would find the more modern compositions not to your liking (which is entirely different from them being "crap").

I prefer early John Coltrane (e.g., with Monk) over the stuff that he did in the 60's. I wouldn't refer to that stuff as crap, though, just music I don't "get" or appreciate.

Forgive the rant, please.


53 posted on 11/29/2004 9:03:08 AM PST by dmz
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To: RightOnline

I guess he won't have to audition for "American Idol" then : )

Cool story, and a reminder that real talent can still be appreciated in our cookie-cutter society.


54 posted on 11/29/2004 9:04:17 AM PST by WestVirginiaRebel ("Nature abhors a moron."-H.L. Mencken)
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To: ArrogantBustard

" One does not, for example, have to be an expert bagpiper in order to discern whether the pipes are being played well or badly "

1st, You have to realise that just because you don't like something, doesn't mean it's without merit. There are those who dislike Mozart, Lizst, and yes, even Justin Timberlake has his detrators. Just because he can;t appreciate this kids music doesn't make it crap.

2nd, There is no way to play the bagpipes well. Playing them badly is the art!


55 posted on 11/29/2004 9:05:24 AM PST by BritishBulldog (New Labour - Putting the "National" back into "Socialist")
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To: angkor
It will be interesting to watch him advance in his skills and career.

There are a few possibilities.

I would be interested in hearing some of this young man's music.

56 posted on 11/29/2004 9:06:38 AM PST by SaveTheChief ("It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech." - Senator Zell Miller)
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To: Ike

I am a businessman with a BSBA, and I have long pondered what made Mozart tick. Now I wish I HAD seen this kid, just for comparison.


57 posted on 11/29/2004 9:11:05 AM PST by international american (Proudly posting without reading the article since 2003.)
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To: seraphMTH
I agree. I can show you several students from our school system who are concert pianists and straight A students. They are remarkable. This kid doesn't seem any different than they are.

During the program it is referenced that he often writes severely complex pieces which "even" he cannot play. I would suggest to you that these pieces are dreck.

You may have noticed that almost all his pieces are "fugues", which suggest to me that someone led him to this format and this is basically all he can focus on. Not exactly exactly music.

Is he smart? Yes. Is he nice? Yes. Is he a genius, I don't know. Just seems like a musical prodigy.

58 posted on 11/29/2004 9:12:41 AM PST by Doc Savage (...because they stand on a wall, and they say nothing is going to hurt you tonight, not on my watch!)
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To: angkor

So why don't we wait to see if he produces great music later. It's no favor to him to play up the prodigy bit. After all, at some point he stops being a prodigy.


59 posted on 11/29/2004 9:14:33 AM PST by maro
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To: ken5050

Tom Lehrer of "Do the Vatican Rag" fame?


60 posted on 11/29/2004 9:16:19 AM PST by international american (Proudly posting without reading the article since 2003.)
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