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Benefits system hit by IT chaos [biggest computer crash in UK gov't history, 80K blank screens]
The Guardian [UK] ^ | Nov 26, 2004 [local] | Kevin Maguire

Posted on 11/25/2004 8:29:53 PM PST by Mike Fieschko

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giro: a check given by the British government to someone who is unemployed; it can be cashed either at a bank or at the post office.

I think it is used in the article to mean benefits checks in general.
1 posted on 11/25/2004 8:29:53 PM PST by Mike Fieschko
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To: Mike Fieschko
I wonder if we'll ever get an honest report of what happened? Two paragraphs struck my eye:

A routine software upgrade on a small number of PCs last weekend is believed to have gone disastrously wrong when an incompatible system was downloaded on to the whole network.

It sounds as if someone downloaded and installed the wrong software.

Trade union leaders called on ministers to drop plans to cut 40,000 jobs in the DWP and a total of 104,000 civil servants across the government following the computer crisis.

This could possibly explain WHY someone screwed up the system. If the computerization worked, then 104,000 public-sector layabouts would have been out of jobs. It's understandable that the union might not want that to happen. A lot of jobs and a lot of tax money are at stake.

2 posted on 11/25/2004 8:36:54 PM PST by Cicero (Nil illegitemus carborundum est)
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To: Mike Fieschko

Another outsourced monster IT project going down in flames.


3 posted on 11/25/2004 8:39:33 PM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner
Another outsourced monster IT project going down in flames

"Although I do not know why your system is not working at this time, I have been authorized to offer you a coupon for a free Slurpee!"

4 posted on 11/25/2004 8:42:00 PM PST by BlazingArizona
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To: stainlessbanner

Uh huh.

To err is human; to REALLY fark up requires a computer.


5 posted on 11/25/2004 8:54:46 PM PST by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: Mike Fieschko
...an internal inquiry into the role of Microsoft and the American contractors EDS...
6 posted on 11/25/2004 8:57:30 PM PST by Petronski (New York London Paris Munich Ev'rybody Talk About Mmm Pop Music)
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To: Mike Fieschko
I wonder if it is Windows XP service pack 2 being delivered via SMS package. I am sure that they are running a proprietary software package to do their Gov work and there are issues with service pack 2 that can hose some software at a network level.

Thats one of the reasons we have not deployed it yet.
7 posted on 11/25/2004 9:02:44 PM PST by WakeUpAndVote (Moore, DumbandWhite 9.11)
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To: Petronski
...an internal inquiry into the role of Microsoft and the American contractors EDS...

Well, yes, there should be an internal inquiry.

Oh, did you mean to point out who's under inquiry? Never occured to me. ;-)
8 posted on 11/25/2004 9:08:03 PM PST by Mike Fieschko
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To: Mike Fieschko

Somebody's gonna hang for this. I wouldn't want to be a manager in the IT dept. there.


9 posted on 11/25/2004 9:08:32 PM PST by rdl6989 (4 More Years! 4 More Years!)
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To: WakeUpAndVote
I wonder if it is Windows XP service pack 2

That was my first thought as well, but I wondered if they tried to install it on older machines running earlier versions of Windows.

10 posted on 11/25/2004 9:19:34 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Mike Fieschko

Hmmm...As an IT professional, being THOROUGHLY familiar with what happens on Wall Street when a problem of this nature arises, I can predict the following:

1. A scapegoat will be found (one individual, preferably disposable, wouldn't put it past them to blame and Indian or Pakistani and in particular, the guy who did the upgrade).
2. It will be decided that too much has been spent on what might be a bad system to begin with, so, we'll soldier on with what we have,which will continue to crash until someone can actually find a fix. Internal porgrammers will blame the vendors, the vendors will blame the programmers, error reports will fly back and forth, and somehow, mysteriously, the problem will have corrected itself. In the business, we call this "Error cleared while testing" which is techspeak for "someone f*cked up, but we're not sure who or how, but since no one's done it again, we hope this goes away quietly."

3. The British gov't will rail and cry about why they had to go to overseas vendors for this project, negelecting to note that perhaps the native talent just doesn't exist. This will lead to the import of more foreigners in order to jump start a new tech sector in Britain, since they work cheap and can be easily kept in line by having their visas revoked.

4. When and if any investigation is ever completed, it will be so full of technical nonsense that most computer geeks won't even be able to read it without falling asleep.

5. Someone will cry that the problem was caused by a lack of funding, and will produce at least one memo obliquely hinting at this idea.

6. Whoever does find a fix will be pushed off into the shadows while his/her bosses step into the limelight to gain whatever praise there might be. Said employee will then be laid off at the earliest opportunity because he/she is just too smart for his/her manager's (personal)comfort.

7. If this were a private enterprise, the managers who initially screwed up the project would still find a way to give themselves raises and/or bonuses.

8. 50/50 that the boo-boo is blamed on some nameless, faceless consultant, who, conveniently, has already been fired.

9. The role of "legacy systems" will be brought up again, with the current owners yelling that "we warned you this would happen if you didn't get rid of this", while simultaneously pushing thier own big-budget White ELephants as a "solution".

10. It will be discovere that the ONE GUY who could have done this smoothly was either out sick or on vacation. Said guy will never be allowed to be sick or go on vacation again.

And they wonder why I quit?


11 posted on 11/25/2004 9:24:04 PM PST by Wombat101 (Sanitized for YOUR protection....)
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To: Petronski

EDS. Every Day Sucks.


12 posted on 11/25/2004 9:29:05 PM PST by Moonman62 (Federal Creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it.)
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To: Mike Fieschko; Jeff Head; risk

If we ever have an armed conflict with China, we had better be expecting the same thing to occur in our government offices and every major corp in the US.


13 posted on 11/25/2004 9:30:05 PM PST by B4Ranch ((The lack of alcohol in my coffee forces me to see reality!))
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To: Moonman62

EDS - Expect Diminished Service


14 posted on 11/25/2004 10:13:38 PM PST by Socrates1
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To: rdl6989

Most I.S. departments would site this as an excuse to increase their budget, To prevent it's happening again.


15 posted on 11/25/2004 11:19:20 PM PST by Not now, Not ever! (Juc the Fohns)
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To: B4Ranch; Mike Fieschko; Jeff Head; Ptarmigan; TigerLikesRooster; maui_hawaii; Grampa Dave; ...
If we ever have an armed conflict with China, we had better be expecting the same thing to occur in our government offices and every major corp in the US.

Yep. And who opened the gates? Who leaves them open? Our leaders are blind to the dangers of questionably loyal workers and government employees -- on shore and off.

Data is our lifeblood. If we were Romans, it would be like we were managing it with our Hispanic, Gallic and German conscripts.

16 posted on 11/26/2004 1:10:58 AM PST by risk
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To: PAR35
I do not think that could happen. Windows is smart enough to know what service pack goes on what operating system.

Updates always work on paper. Deployment goes well on paper. Unless you deploy on a test group of machines with different configurations, you are playing with fire.
17 posted on 11/26/2004 2:41:27 AM PST by WakeUpAndVote (Moore, DumbandWhite 9.11)
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To: risk
Yep. And who opened the gates? Who leaves them open? Our leaders are blind to the dangers of questionably loyal workers and government employees -- on shore and off.

_________

Billy Jeff and Big Al? How much arms information got leaked to China?

Move along, nothing to see here. You can't know anything, cuz you're cows.
18 posted on 11/26/2004 2:46:40 AM PST by WakeUpAndVote (Moore, DumbandWhite 9.11)
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To: risk
Yep. And who opened the gates? Who leaves them open? Our leaders are blind to the dangers of questionably loyal workers and government employees -- on shore and off.

_________

Billy Jeff and Big Al? How much arms information got leaked to China?

Move along, nothing to see here. You can't know anything, cuz you're cows.
19 posted on 11/26/2004 2:46:44 AM PST by WakeUpAndVote (Moore, DumbandWhite 9.11)
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To: WakeUpAndVote

I don't want to be a cow!


20 posted on 11/26/2004 2:59:07 AM PST by risk
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