Posted on 11/25/2004 3:08:26 PM PST by neverdem
Could I be enlighten ?
I am sure you could be.
Russia funded Yanukovych's campaign to the tune of 300 million. Don't pretend that you care about foreigners influencing free elections.
Cause the Russians did it in the Ukraine - China can finance campaigns in America? Why are you against living by the golden rule? I find it troubling Americans get involved in other nations elections yet we Americans have fits when we hear of the exact same thing done to us.
Why don't China and Russia live by the Golden Rule?
I will ask you plain out - would you allow other countries to support candidates in America? If not why do you allow Americans to support other foreign candidates?
kievan rus is ukraine not russia. russian propoganda under the soviet regime not only stole ukraines history but also its culture.
The Rus were nordic princes "invited" by the slavic Kievans to rule them.
The Bolshevik animals purged Russia of all that noble blood.
yeah actually there is look at a map. it is an embattled nation trying to come out from communism, and is having a hard time. but it sure as hell is right there. the main religions are ukrainian catholic and ukrainian orthodox. not ukrainian russian orthodox.
ukes and russiand DEFINATELY consider themselves seperate people. ukrainians are much closer to poland then they are to russia.
although the dialects are distinct enough to be counted as separate
ukrainian is not a dialect, it is a seperate language from russian. always has been.
Ukranian Catholics - Latin and Greek Rite Catholics.
For the Ukranian Orthodox - There is the schismatic Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church the so-called Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Kiev Patriarchate (I think they are also schismatics) and the true canonical Church - the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate. I hope that was more accurate for you.
that was beautiful.
2 different kinds of Catholics - 3 different kinds of Orthodox! Not very culturaly united from my point of view. Ukraine has too many fault lines to be used the way Russia and the West are using it as a football.
If you'll check the yellow pages of any american town, you'll see that we have many more religious sects than that. By some of the standards being given for Ukrainian legitimacy, or lack thereof, we shouldn't be a country at all.
Thanks. "Dialect" versus "language" gets a little nebulous, and has very political consequences. And its not something I'm qualified to answer. I understood that Uk and Russian were mutually intelligible, but of course I realize that is a very subjective standard even of itself.
So I'll take your word for it.
In any case, I prefer to err on the side of Uk independence. If they eventually join the EU, I don't see that as anti-American, it will help to dilute the Franco-German axis a little more. So I'm fine with it.
In any case, trying to be too geopolitical about all of this is to lose track of the original question. Is the election stolen? If it is, it needs to be done again. Or, the guilty party should just be disqualified and the other awarded the victory.
And, the fact that Kuchma must rely on Russian troops for his security speaks volumes about who it was that stole the election.
USA is a diff. animal all together. All European countries are based on a homogenous population.
Granted.
You're confusing the term, Rus with the modern term, Russian. Tsk. Tsk.
From P. Magocsi, "A History of Ukraine" pg. 68
For the longest time, English-language writings did not distiguish the name Rus' from Russia, with the result that in descriptions of the pre-fourteenth century Kievan realm the conceptually distorted formulation Kievan Russia was used.
It was the Kievan metropolitan that moved from Kyiv to first Vladimir then onto populated Moscow not the populace.
And I'm sure you're aware that the empire with the name, Russia, was not to come until centuries later.
The Byzantine Greeks introduced the name Rus - it means Russian.
LOL!!!! What no mention of Varangians or Finns? Since you're not lucky enough to be Slav and Eastern Slavic history is not your forte, all I can do is recommend a library or go to a good website with a timeline. The term Rus was well used before the introduction of Christianity.
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