Posted on 11/22/2004 7:45:06 AM PST by Pfesser
You know nothing about me Ape
Oh, I know plenty.
And it's more than enough.
yawn............................................zot....................................snore
bye fool
Nailed it. There's nothing we can change about the ideology of jihad and dhimmitude proscribed by the Koran except to kill those who believe in that ideology.
You calling for a ZoT is hilarious!
I'll pre-suppose you aren't either of these two men:
"What the horn is to the rhinoceros, what the sting is to the wasp, the Mohammadan faith is to the Arabs."
~WINSTON CHURCHILL
Islam has been a disaster for mankind.
~T.H. Huxley
Sir Winston Churchill:
"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay he final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
"Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die. But the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytising faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."
stefanbc
I am glad to see that there are people on this forum who aren't willing to let hate-filled radicals take over.
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Thank you smcmike Good to hear from you, friend
An eastern Indian's perspective -
link at islamreview.org
Anwar Shaikh reviews P. N. Oak's book:
Islamic Havoc in India
This book, containing 387 pages deals with the atrocities of the Muslim rule in India, right from the first invaders to the last perpetrators, who could have qualified as Indians had they shown an iota of respect to the land where they were born, grew up and died. They inflicted disgrace, death and devastation on India in return for the glory, grandeur and greatness that she had bestowed upon them. This ingratitude of the Muslim rulers has ruffled Purushottam Nagesh Oak, the author, whose patriotic instincts have responded to the foreign tyranny without any regard to the repercussions that the bold narrative of this book may have upon him.
P.N. Oak was born on March 2, 1917,. He is a scion of the Maharashtrian Brahmin family. Not only a scholar in the Brahmanical tradition, but he is also endowed with the Kshatriya spirit for having played an active role in the Azad Hind Fauj (Indian National Army). so keen is his passion for history that he has set up the Institution For Re-Writing World History. He is its Founder-President. Mr. Oak is known for his plain speaking, which earned him wrath of the authorities. He was tried on the charge of using "harsh" language when he called the Muslim raiders as the "Muslim Monsters" but was honorably acquitted.
Having dealt with the Muslim atrocities, Mr. Oak in the Post Script, has asked the fellow-patriots to expose the tyrannical conduct of the Muslim rulers.
While I am not averse to this suggestion, I think that such an exposure will be more fruitful if its scope is extended. Therefore, I may divide the discussion into three headings:
1. Why did the Muslim suzerains make plunder and rape the guiding principle of their rule?
2. Why did the Muslim rulers succeed in displaying their atrocious conduct with such a baffling impunity?
3. What is the legacy of the Muslim rule to the Indian subcontinent i.e. Bharat, Pakistan and Bangladesh?
Thanks!
Check out 129.
It goes on and on. Muhammadanism must be marginalized in the extreme, if not eradicated completely.
Have a great holiday! See you down the road...
>I really don't think the same standard can be said to apply to philosophy or "divine inspiration
Why not?
>But that doesn't seem to be what these other fellows are talking about.
No, that's what I'm talking about and using it to foil their arguments- and their hostility, scorn and multiple allegations. These are some angry people, geek. Right?
>I'd like to hear the other side of this discussion
See posts #110 and 120 for links and comments. Good articles about yes, moderate Muslims. They actually exist you know. I will do my homework, you must do yours if you want to find out that Wahhabi islamofascism is not mainstream Islam for instance. Apes and Nerks are hostile bigots in my book and they have proven that. Sorry you missed it. It's serious in that they appear quite disturbed, and that is my professional opinion.
>You say here that you will make your own evaluation based on your own research. Will you share that research here? I've seen many specific, compelling statements and arguments against Islam, but not much that is specific for Islam.
I will freep you with my findings. This forum is not appropriate, imho.
>The "kill 'em all" approach obviously is not appropriate, any more than genocide against Jews was appropriate during WWII or is appropriate now in Israel. Glancing back over this thread, though, I'm not sure I see anyone seriously discussing that as a serious option
Ok geek, just this once: look at #92=nuke dearborn,etc geek #95 = sheer scorn and hostility from the great Ape #51=kill or convert. Plenty more where that came from on this thread. Not sure how you missed all the homicidal urges and blood lust. My question is 'where are the moderate conservatives?' Hate filled radicals yes, we have heard from them, correct? Or no, it's just me?
>......homicidal wack-jobs ....... does seem to be the dominant faction in the Middle East at this time
Read about Wahhabi Islam, Schwartz's "Two Faces of Islam" is a good introduction as are most of his later books. Links in post 110 & 120 are to Horowitz's FrontPagemag.com and there is much there on these 'moderate vs radical' Islam. Wahhabi islam=islamofascism, backed by Saudi money are rampant in Iraq and worldwide. Iraq has its own problems with the Ba'ath diehards. About them and all terrorists I posted in #58: "Yes, kill the terrorist die hards who murder to obstruct a democratic Iraq. I have no problem with that" You don't condone mass murder of innocents do you? Killing or converting all Muslims ok with you?
>how do we not draw the conclusion that abhorrent violence is in fact the heart and soul of Islam?
Why would you? Would we judge Christianity based on the savagery of some Christians? Or idiots here who say things like "Nuke Dearborn"? Does that make Christ and Christianity evil as these words are and Christian actions have at times been? What is the difference? And why in God's name has no one answered the central question: Can we win the war on islamofascism without the co-operation of the moderate mainstream Muslims?
Eight Questions for moderate conservatives:
1) What do you make of this exchange:
Our side or thier side, doesn't matter. A dead muslim cleric is a victory for everyone
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How are we going to win this war without the support of moderate Muslims? Your comment is nonsense
2) What do you have to say about this: (I agree btw, the Wahhabi are the enemy among others)
May the Tigris run red with the blood of Wahhabi imams. (And the Rhine, Nile, Thames, and Seine too, for that matter.) Kill them all without mercy!
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3) Do you agree? "There are no moderates. None."
4) What about this? "Islam has no redeeming qualities. None. And there is no such thing as moderate islam. Your view of islam is what's going to get more people killed in the future"
5) Please answer this: "The original teachings of Christ for example have been bastardized ad nauseum by His followers- does that make Him an idiot?"
6) Your comment please on post #106: "You just advocated the genocide of 11 million innocent people with that post. Yeah, that's right. Innocent. There's no conservative ideal that justifies that ignorance."
7) What about this curious comment? "Agreed, the only moderate Muslim cleric is on that has attained room temperature"
8) From Apes; what think you?: "Only, unlike the head-cutting moon-good death-cult satan-worshippers of Islam, I would not be as inhumane. Two in the brain, two in the heart, just to be sure."
Yeah, mass murder must be okay around here- no one'e called him on it but you and me. Sad
"How are we going to win this war without the support of moderate Muslims?"
I think that this question is the most important one in this argument... because we really don't have any choice. At all. Not only are those who scream for the death of all Muslims morally off-base, they don't seem to have a clear grasp of reality!
Hi smcmike. Well, I'm also waiting for an answer on this. Advocating genocide or mass murder seems a tiny bit extreme besides not the way to peace or a world I'm going to support.
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