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Bin Laden Expert Steps Forward
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/12/60minutes/printable655407.shtml ^ | November 14, 2004

Posted on 11/17/2004 10:59:58 AM PST by Howlin

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To: Howlin
Thanks for the ping!

WHY do all of these incompetent nincompoops,go on 60 Minutes,to spew their spurious propaganda? BECAUSE THEY CAN!

No wonder we got hit on 9/11...eight years of the Clintons ignoring the problem and jerks,like Sheuer,in charge at the CIA! Proof positive,that we need THE PATRIOT ACT and a clean sweep out of these traitors.

GOD BLESS PRESIDENT BUSH and his team!

181 posted on 11/17/2004 5:21:48 PM PST by nopardons
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To: DHerion

"By the way, Osama Bin Laden's anger towards us was our presence in Saudi Arabia."

True. And our troops were in Saudi because of the crap Saddam was pulling.


182 posted on 11/17/2004 5:23:39 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist ")
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To: Hoplite
You actually believe lefty propaganda,from Clintonistas,instead of the eye witness reports from General Tommy Franks?

"Truth"....truth from someone who thinks that OBL is a terrific person? What "truth" is that? "HURT"? Yeah.....actual TRUTH is hurting this jackass and the rest of the cretins,such as Clarke,who have been attempting to make President Bush look bad.

183 posted on 11/17/2004 5:29:04 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Age of Reason

We've all heard this list before; what's new here is a senior U.S. counterterrorism official agreeing that the demands included on it can and should be met. Yet so Scheuer does: "We can either reaffirm current policies, thereby denying their role in creating the hatred bin Laden personifies, or we can examine and debate the reality we face, the threat we must defeat, and then — if deemed necessary — devise policies that better suit U.S. interests."

What do all three of these accomplishments have in common? Very simple: They could potentially offend an important section of Muslim opinion. It would seem that the former head of the CIA's bin Laden unit would regard the actual capture of bin Laden as the most catastrophic possible defeat of all.


http://www.nationalreview.com/flashback/frum200411161511.asp


184 posted on 11/17/2004 5:33:01 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist ")
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To: Age of Reason
"Everything is biased."

There are degrees and NPR is very biased. When a news source becomes propaganda, as NPR is, then the effort made to filter out the BS is not worth the nuggets of information that may be detected.

You seem to have swallowed this Scheuer crap hook line and sinker.
185 posted on 11/17/2004 5:36:50 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist ")
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To: killjoy

NO..........the total silence,of supposed "moderate" Muslims is the problem;as well as their bizarre demand that Israel should be handed over to the Plais!


186 posted on 11/17/2004 5:41:01 PM PST by nopardons
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To: killjoy
"The problem is with a minority of fanatics on both sides."

Oh really? Do Israeli fanatics deliberately murder women and children?
187 posted on 11/17/2004 5:41:46 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist ")
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To: killjoy
"the settlements in the west bank."

The settlements in the west bank are not going anywhere. They are part of Israel by right of conquest.
188 posted on 11/17/2004 5:43:57 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist ")
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To: killjoy
"You are quite good at taking things completely out of context."

What part of "if" don't you understand?
189 posted on 11/17/2004 5:45:09 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist ")
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To: killjoy
"Yes, this is exactly what needs to be done as well as the settlements in the west bank."

You are taking the European view of this, not the Floridian view.
190 posted on 11/17/2004 5:46:44 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist ")
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To: Age of Reason
"REVOLUTIONARY IDEAS"? Such as being worse than modern day Quislings and Chamberlains?

The world ignore Hitler's early wee adventure,assuming incorrectly,that he'd stop after gobbling up a few countries,that most other nations didn't give a damn about. So now,NOW, we should have given in to OBL and allow the destruction of Israel,his take over of ALL Muslim nations,imagining,INCORRECTLY,that his complete intent and purposes aren't really TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD,making it one Islamonazi caliphate?

You really don't understand any of this!

191 posted on 11/17/2004 5:47:51 PM PST by nopardons
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To: killjoy

Nooooooooooooo...the "Muslim's feelings",has been one of absolute HATRED for Israel and the Jews,since Israel became a Jewish state! They've HATED everyone and everyone,who has EVER supported Israel's right to be.


192 posted on 11/17/2004 5:50:46 PM PST by nopardons
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To: JustDoItAlways

"It would seem that the former head of the CIA's bin Laden unit would regard the actual capture of bin Laden as the most catastrophic possible defeat of all."

http://www.nationalreview.com/flashback/frum200411161511.asp


193 posted on 11/17/2004 5:52:57 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist ")
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To: Age of Reason

That hasn't worked out too well,now has it? LOL


194 posted on 11/17/2004 5:53:10 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Max Combined
Oh really? Do Israeli fanatics deliberately murder women and children?

Yes, they do. Need I bring up Baruch Goldstein?

195 posted on 11/17/2004 5:57:41 PM PST by killjoy (I'm John Kerry and I'm relieved of duty.)
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To: Howlin

Its pretty obvious that the CIA is shot through with incompetants who feed at the government trough and then undermine those they are responsible to.

That Valeria Plume "kerfuffle" is another good example. A Bill Clinton group that just made one mistake - they didn't get John F-ing Kerry elected with their leaks and now they will pay the price.


196 posted on 11/17/2004 5:59:15 PM PST by hgro
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To: nopardons
Nooooooooooooo...the "Muslim's feelings",has been one of absolute HATRED for Israel and the Jews,since Israel became a Jewish state! They've HATED everyone and everyone,who has EVER supported Israel's right to be.

Please explain why you have Muslims in Jews living in peace all over Israel? Ever been there?

P.S. Muslims serve in the Israeli Military right next to Jews.

197 posted on 11/17/2004 5:59:33 PM PST by killjoy (I'm John Kerry and I'm relieved of duty.)
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To: killjoy

"Of course, but this is a tangent and not what we were talking about."

It is exactly what we are talking about. The Muslims are great at acting like beasts, murdering innocents in their thousands, and then turning around and acting like the aggrieved party when folks get ticked off at them. I refuse to appease them by even considering their demands so long as they use terrorism as an instrument of political power.

Screw the Muslims and the Arabs and what they do and do not want. The Nazis and the Japanese were a far more formidable foe than are the Muslims. We must fight them and defeat them utterly, no matter what the cost and no matter how long it takes. Radical Islam is at least as vile and pernicious a political philosophy as Nazism and Fascism.


198 posted on 11/17/2004 5:59:47 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist ")
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To: nopardons
I believe that General Franks changed our operational game plan after Tora Bora, as evidenced by Operation Anaconda, demonstrating the value of After Action Reviews.

And to mischaracterize Scheuer's statements on Bin Laden as you are doing does nothing to advance your position any place it may matter.

If you want to characterize our war against Bin Laden thus far as being perfection embodied, then have fun.

If, on the other hand, you view it as being imperfect, with room both for constructive criticism of past actions and an opportunity to apply lessons learned towards future operations, then I'd be happy to discuss matters with you.

199 posted on 11/17/2004 6:00:41 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

And you are hold up Operation Anaconda as a success? How many high level Taliban and al-Qaida did the operation capture or kill?

Since Operation Anaconda did not capture any high level Taliban or al-Qaida it shows that using American troops in similar conditions in Tora Bora would not have been successful. You have illustrated the folly of your position.


200 posted on 11/17/2004 6:10:21 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist ")
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